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Analyzing the Nonfiction Market 1/18/05

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Tue Jan 18 12:08:33 2005

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mary rosenblum

Hello, all!

mary rosenblum

Whew, my watch stopped while I was out doing chores!

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I thought it was taking a long time to get to ten o'clock! :-)

mary rosenblum

This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. Today we're analyzing magazines for market potential. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.

mary rosenblum

I find that one of the things that most LR students and ALL novice writers share...

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is a real problem with identifying markets.

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As a pro who knows a lot of editors personally at this stage...

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I can tell you that the MAIN reason a piece gets rejected is not quality...

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but because it is not right for this market.

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And if editors see inappropriate submission after inappropriate submission...

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they may stop even looking carefully at your work, assuming that this is just another one.

mary rosenblum

So simply sending your work out to all markets that are even remotely possible is a bad way to break in.

mary rosenblum

Conversely, if an editor sees potentially useful pieces that he/she simply doesn't buy...

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that editor will know that sooner or later you'll be a regular contributor to the magazine and will mentally keep an eye out...

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for a place to put your first sale.

mary rosenblum

So hitting the right market IS a benefit to your career.

mary rosenblum

And this is the same for both nonfiction queries and submitted fiction or personal narrative.

mary rosenblum

However the process of identifying markets in fiction is much more difficult than in nonfiction and quite different....

mary rosenblum

so we'll work with nonfiction magazine markets today and I'll talk about fiction markets on Friday.

t green

is that why a lot of editors use a form rejection stating "cannot use at this time." ? because your ms doesn't "fit" the image of the magazine?

mary rosenblum

It's one of the reasons, t.

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That is simply the most neutral way of saying, no thanks.

mary rosenblum

Most markets have a second slip that is more discouraging...

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usually suggesting gently that the submitting writer take some courses. :-)

mary rosenblum

And some markets have several levels of rejection forms.

mary rosenblum

It can mean anything from something similar in inventory to 'this isn't right for this magazine'.

tkat_2

I don't mind that my instructor suggested a different market for lesson 8. What I chose was a good choice but the other magazine was a better choice And I didn't mind sending in another magazine form.

mary rosenblum

Often your instructors know much more about markets than you know from reading the guidelines, tkat.

mary rosenblum

I frequently tell students to try a different market when I know that an editor of another magazine...

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likes this type of story or has accepted articles like this in the past.

t green

Why are market guidelines so vague anyway?

mary rosenblum

Because editing is so subjective. It's nearly as creative as writing in its own way...when you're talking about putting together an issue, that is.

mary rosenblum

The editor's taste and sense of what works with the other pieces in the mag...both fiction and non...is not something that most people can easily spell out in words of one syllable.

mary rosenblum

So they state what they generally do and do not want and they EXPECT YOU to READ THE MAGAZINE.

mary rosenblum

No kidding. THey are saying to you essentially..."This is what I do NOT want, now you go read what I do and send me stuff I DO want'.

mary rosenblum

Editors usually know when you are going only by the guidelines and that does not impress them.

mary rosenblum

And they frequently know when you have sent a acheck in for a couple of sample copies and they REMEMBER your name..

mary rosenblum

because not many novice writers do that. :-)

mary rosenblum

Pros do.

mary rosenblum

This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. Today we're analyzing magazines for market potential. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.

sailor

If you have an article accepted but not yet published by one mag and want to submit one on the same subject but a different slant to another mag, is it a good or bad idea to use the first one as a clip? If not, should I even mention the first one at all?

mary rosenblum

If you're sure that the slant is quite different, sure, sailor, mention it.

mary rosenblum

When I was starting out I had a lot of stuff in inventory and not a lot already published and that inventory counted. They are SALES.

mary rosenblum

They tell the editor that this editor found your work publishable.

mary rosenblum

BUT if the pieces are similar and this is a competitor in the market, that may work against you.

mary rosenblum

Why should this editor be an 'also ran' , publishing something that competitor got first?

tory

So, just to be clear, Mary, a "clip" can be sold, not necessarily published?

mary rosenblum

Yes. It's nice to have the published text, but you can always send in the ms draft. Editors know who the top markets are.

mary rosenblum

If you have sold to say, 'Better Homes and Gardens' and you query "Family Circle'...

mary rosenblum

the editors know each other and are friends.

mary rosenblum

If FC editor thinks BH&G editor buys good stuff, well, clearly your piece was good.

mary rosenblum

Just tell the editor what you sold and how it will appear in the mag.

mary rosenblum

Is it a feature? A 'reader tip'? A piece for a regular department?

mary rosenblum

Those mean different things to the editor you're querying.

mary rosenblum

So let's look at how you analyze a nonfiction market for suitability...how you read between the lines.

mary rosenblum

I chose Woman's World because it's a weekly...

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they are buying from new writers...

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it's cheap to buy a couple of copies...they're 1.49 at the checkout counter....and it's widely available.

mary rosenblum

So go buy a copy and practice. :-)

gail

Honestly, Mary, I'd have to get a "regular" job to afford all the magazines (several editions of each market of interest) I would need to buy to do the research. I've tried local libraries, but they often don't carry -- and are unwilling to do so on my behalf -- the magazines I'm looking to read. (P.S. Most of these markets I'm referring to are ones which accept fiction.)

mary rosenblum

Well, gail, I was a self supporting writer with two kids living on about 14,000 per year and I bought 'em.

mary rosenblum

Pardon my lack of sympathy, but it's just a reality of the business...

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like buying a business license or paying for a delivery vehicle's gas.

mary rosenblum

You don't have to buy three copies of every magazine out there...

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but pick out the ones that seem like the best markets for you and do read 'em.

mary rosenblum

Postage to inappropriate markets will actually cost you more than those cover prices in the end.

mary rosenblum

And yes, it was financially tough. I really had to cut things out of the buget to afford those issues...

mary rosenblum

but you know what? I started selling.

mary rosenblum

Alas, a lot of the fiction magazines aren't available in libraries ...

mary rosenblum

but many of them publish sample stories on their websites...

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and partly that's to let writers know what they publish. :-)

mary rosenblum

We'll talk about how to identify editor likes and dislikes on Friday. :-)

mary rosenblum

But let's look at woman's world and start figuring out what you can sell to this magazine.

mary rosenblum

It's very easy to read a magazine's needs from the outside.

mary rosenblum

There are 'inside' issues, too.

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Family Circle and Good Housekeeping, for example...

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are top pro markets and rarely if ever buy from new writers.

mary rosenblum

But hey, you can try. Just don't be disappointed.

mary rosenblum

And of course their guidelines dont SAY that. That's something you find out from pro gossip at writers conferences...or from me. :-)

mary rosenblum

Or from online bulletin boards and chat rooms for freelancers.

janp

Are the non fic mags more likely to use a stable of their

mary rosenblum

Of their own writers, janp?

janp

preferred writers than the fic? Therefore, less likely to

mary rosenblum

ah...buy from new.

janp

be receptive to the new writer?

mary rosenblum

Well, to be honest, FICTION magazines are more likely to use familiar and established names, janp.

mary rosenblum

It's much easier for a new writer to break into nonfic.

mary rosenblum

But they do assign articles to regular contributors..

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which is how you make a living in freelance nonfiction once you get through the 'write for cheap and break in' period.

mary rosenblum

They call YOU.

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And they take your article instead of the newbie's article on the same topic...

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because you know the ropes and they can trust you to deliver.

mary rosenblum

But in fiction, the author's name sells the magazine...not true in nonfic.

mary rosenblum

So editors are LESS likely to buy from unknowns.

mary rosenblum

That's why I tell students who just want to see their names in print to go nonfic!

gail

Thanx, Mary. Yes, I have researched on-line pubs. This brings me to another quandary. Many on-line pubs which once offered free viewing of past editions, are now charging for this. :-P I guess I'll just have to eat mac & cheese until I'm published! lol

mary rosenblum

This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. Today we're analyzing magazines for market potential. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.

mary rosenblum

Oh, Gail, believe me I know those mac and cheese days SO well!

mary rosenblum

I have to say that I have two kids who have grown up without thinking they'r entitled to a lot of expensive 'stuff' and don't carry any debt, so I guess it had a good outcome! LOL

mary rosenblum

But we WERE poor and the cost of a couple of issues was difficult to come by.

mary rosenblum

But is your writing serious or a hobby?

mary rosenblum

If you're serious, you need to do it, and it's an investment in your future.

t green

When querying a magazine, do you offer to do things like "decks" and pictures too?

mary rosenblum

I'm not sure what you mean by decks, t... I only query with a very specific offer...THIS article or THIS column.

mary rosenblum

The editor doesn't know you. He/she is not going to give you a job without knowing you can do it.

mary rosenblum

Stick to a particular...very particular..offer.

mary rosenblum

Let's go badk to woman's world. Pick up an issue and look at the cover.

mary rosenblum

What do you find? On this issue...this week's version..

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we find 'love, weight, save money, be successful, and articles about a pretty smile and good hair.

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These are your main focuses of the mag:

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health, beauty, family life issues.

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It includes recipes, and child rearing, housekeeping bits, too.

mary rosenblum

So what does that editor want from YOU?

mary rosenblum

Well, let's identify the market first. Who reads this? How do you know?

t green

I've been reading a lot about mag markets... a deck is the part below the title in smaller font that gives a brief piece of the article to entice the reader to read the article... (at least that's my understanding of it)

mary rosenblum

Oh, I know what you mean. Nah, that's going to be done in house and by someone who does it as a career, t.

mary rosenblum

Like a book jacket blurb.

janp

A young lady, maybe 25 or 30, A clue to reader age

mary rosenblum

Yes, janp. With kids, probably a stay at home or maybe part time mom with young kids...and probably stay at home.

mary rosenblum

I only looked at one article, but found no 'career tip' pieces...if I wanted to start writing for them, I"d read quite a few of these, cheap as they are.

mary rosenblum

Now this mag doesn't have a lot of ads, so you have to go by the articles to get a sense of readership.

mary rosenblum

But while older women with a high middle income may read this...that's not your target audience...

mary rosenblum

so an article about an expensive spa vacation is going to come back to you .

tory

what's the "be successful" article about--sucessful at what?

mary rosenblum

It's actually a health article, tory, on getting more and better sleep.

mary rosenblum

I found no 'career women' pieces, no articles on dealing with children with disabilities, no articles on single parenthood...

mary rosenblum

on a single issue (which is NOT a good idea, folks), I'd say my audience is young stay at home moms in their twenties...

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from conservative, probably Christian, backgrouns.

dbamarsha

Mary, thought I would mention that Arabella Magazine (romance) is going out of business for any of those who were thinking of submitting. I just visited their website the other day.

mary rosenblum

Yes, they are closed, marsha. I'll mention that in the upcoming website update.

mary rosenblum

I was afraid they were funded by Visa...

sailor

For those of us new to figuring out a mag's market, is Wooden Horse publishing worthwhile? They include reader demographics in their mag descriptions.

mary rosenblum

Dunno, sailor. I don't read it nor do I write for it. You'll have to read it and decide. :-)

tory

definitely stay at home moms with young kids!

mary rosenblum

Yep.

mary rosenblum

So how do you know what they want from you?

mary rosenblum

Look at the articles.

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If an article has a by line... a name...then it was written by a freelancer.

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If there is no name, no by line, it was written in house by staff.

mary rosenblum

And if it has both a name and a home town, it's probably a reader submission rather than a freelancer and I bet for no pay.

jr souza jr

A lot of advice to writers starting out in the magazine writing business reccomend that you write on 'spec' This requires careful market research as well as a well written query/offer. What's your opinion/experiance on writing on 'spec'

mary rosenblum

On speck, jr, just means you write without getting the assurance of a sale first.

mary rosenblum

I can sell a novel first and write it.

mary rosenblum

If you write the novel without having sold it, that's 'on speck'.

mary rosenblum

Most nonfic magazines want a query first.

mary rosenblum

You CAN send them the entire piece if you have no clips...

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UNLESS the guidelines state 'no unsolicited ms accepted'

mary rosenblum

That means they won't even look at it, they ONLY will look at a query.

mary rosenblum

So you can't do on spec there, jr.

gail

Do you find the advertising to be one of the best indicators of the mag's demographic?

mary rosenblum

The ads will usually tell me the income bracket, gail.

mary rosenblum

If I look at a cooking mag and the ads are for 500 chefs knives and 3000

mary rosenblum

ranges and fridges...

mary rosenblum

my audience is well off middle class and probably in their forties or fifties.

mary rosenblum

In WW, you can tell your readership easily from the slant of the articles.

mary rosenblum

In some other magazines, you'll need to look at the ads.

silver571

What about a magazine like Oprah's O?

mary rosenblum

You'll have to analyze it yourself, silver.

mary rosenblum

That's why I'm doing this. Not to analyze WW FOR you...

mary rosenblum

but to show you how to pick up a magazine and figure out what they need.

speckledorf

O takes NO freelance submissions at all.

mary rosenblum

Well there you go, and that will be in the writers guidelines.

mary rosenblum

You MUST read them, but you need to go beyond them if you plan to submit.

mary rosenblum

Editors have LOTS of submissions to choose from and many will be publishable.

mary rosenblum

They don't NEED your submission badly enough to waste time on you if you don't follow their rules...

mary rosenblum

so ALWAYS read and follow the guidelines.

t green

so... maybe an article about fun ways to get your kids to eat your veggies would be looked at more favorably than taking a cooking class article?

mary rosenblum

For ww...that's exactly it, t.

mary rosenblum

There are recipes, but not one 'technique' or 'how to' article...

mary rosenblum

but there IS an article on finger painting with shaving cream for your kids. ..

mary rosenblum

so you might be even better off here...

mary rosenblum

with an article on helping your kids make 'easter bunnies' with canned pears or something like that.

mary rosenblum

The slant is to doing things at home with your kid..

mary rosenblum

the 'eat well' is an added bonus...

mary rosenblum

and I will bet you money the editor would at least consider it...

mary rosenblum

and remember you next time you send in a query.

tkat_2

It pays to read the writer's guidelines on the website. Leading Edge Magazine Of Science Fiction & Fantasy changed their mailing address over the holiday. Also, they won't take anything with explicit sex, violence or abusive language.

mary rosenblum

Yes, alas, the publishing world changes in a heartbeat.

mary rosenblum

That's why I prefer to check the online market lists.

mary rosenblum

Editors HATE totally inappropriate queries and subs.

mary rosenblum

By the way...

mary rosenblum

it is common not to answer queries that are totally inappropriate or very poorly written....

mary rosenblum

fyi.

gail

Will Long Ridge be offering their market listing on-line anytime in the future?

mary rosenblum

I don't know. I may pitch it to them...

mary rosenblum

It would be worthwhile.

mary rosenblum

This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. Today we're analyzing magazines for market potential. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.

mary rosenblum

Okay...back to WW.

mary rosenblum

What should you send in?

mary rosenblum

They have celebrity articles which theyclearly ask for...

mary rosenblum

a piece by Weight WAtchers that they clearly asked for...

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And they DO have pieces by male writers, folks.

mary rosenblum

You don't have to use a pen name.

mary rosenblum

They have a piece on a woman who foiled a robbery attempt written by a man...

mary rosenblum

it's an interview piece.

mary rosenblum

Think drama...

mary rosenblum

If you read these articles, the style is superficial...they don't cover the articles in depth...

mary rosenblum

the pace is brisk, very personal, speaking directly to the reader...

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and tends to focus on drama...in other words...

mary rosenblum

less content than entertainment value.

mary rosenblum

This is designed to be a fun, fast read.

mary rosenblum

So an indepth and serious article about the difficulties of children with disabalitities in public school will earn what, class? :-)

janp

Think inspirational and upbeat

mary rosenblum

Yep, that too...part of that 'high entertainment value' style.

mary rosenblum

There is not ONE downbeat article in this.

tory

Mary, you said you thought the audience might be conservative, probably Christian. can yo tell us more about how you drew that conclusion?

mary rosenblum

That's a snap judgement as I cautioned, tory, and I've only looked at a single issue...I'd read at least five of this mag before I felt comfortable.

mary rosenblum

BUt..

mary rosenblum

the reason I say that is what is NOT here...

mary rosenblum

nothing controversial.

mary rosenblum

Nothing that even hints at alternative gender relationships...

mary rosenblum

nothing about careers or single parents in this issue...

mary rosenblum

and in this country, the majority of stay at home moms...gross generalization alert here...

mary rosenblum

tend to be conservative Christians.

mary rosenblum

Not ALL by any means, but you need to look at generalizations in marketing.

t green

uh... downbeat articles earn a big fat REJECTION SLIP???

mary rosenblum

Yes...from what I see in this issue.

mary rosenblum

They want triumphing over odds...

mary rosenblum

they have a 'tragedy' piece on a kid born with a tumor who then had to undergo surgery...

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but now, at two, he's fine.

mary rosenblum

Inspirational and upbeat...the family wins in the end...

mary rosenblum

does it focus on the 400,000 worth of debt they're dealing with? Their struggles to deal with his problems? Nope.

mary rosenblum

Those are glossed over. We go quickly from crisis to success...

mary rosenblum

with an upbeat tone.

christopher dale

- Sorry - came in late - WW? Women's World???? Would they look at a piece about "How we met" and got married? Or too mushy for them??? :-)

mary rosenblum

Yes, Chris, that's my 'analysis of the day'.

mary rosenblum

And actually that is the fiction they want.

mary rosenblum

I have a student who has sold to them and reads it, and those 'met my one and only' seem to be the romance theme they publish most often.

mary rosenblum

And of course, now they are publishing a solve it yourself mystery.

mary rosenblum

And I haven't looked at their guidelines, but in this issue, there is no by line on that mystery.

mary rosenblum

That means one of two things...

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they don't have any and it was written in house so they're VERY hungry...

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OR...they are buying all rights.

gail

The adage, "Write what you know," is like a mantra constantly running through my mind. Now, I wonder, can a grandmother expect to have child-rearing advice articles published, or is that considererd by editors to be more the domain of the mother?

mary rosenblum

Well, you don't write in that domaine, gail.

mary rosenblum

Your slant is the grandparent/child relationship.

mary rosenblum

You ARE an expert there, and yes, you're more likely to sell this type of advice piece than one about parenting in general...

mary rosenblum

because if you start talking about parenting in general, you'll need expert credentials...

mary rosenblum

some kind of child development/educational title.

jr souza jr

Just looking at a market update for this mag they do fiction also and want mystery and romance fiction in the 1000 word range they are Not interested in science fiction, fantasy, historical romance, or foreign locales. No explicit sex, graphic language, or seamy settings. Does the issue you are looking at show this?

mary rosenblum

jr, the mysteries now have to fit their 'solve it yourself' format.

mary rosenblum

This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. Today we're analyzing magazines for market potential. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.

joed

"they are buying all rights" how did you reach that conclusion

mary rosenblum

I don't know that they are, joed...but the lack of byline...

mary rosenblum

means it's either written in house or work for hire.

joanc

Mary, if you get a rejection slip that says "Unfortunately, it does not suit our editorial line up." does this basically mean you missed the mark or that it doesn't fit their needs at that time?

mary rosenblum

That means very specifically that you missed the mark, janp.

mary rosenblum

AND it means that you're good enough as a writer that they wanted you to know that, so that you'll try with something that DOES>

mary rosenblum

Be flattered.

mary rosenblum

-)

janp

I think they are hungry for the short mystery. They used to

janp

have one each issue; writen by MsX, Mr Y or Johhny Q

mary rosenblum

I suspect they are VERY hungry for stuff that works as their 'solve it yourself' format. I think it was speck? who got one back with that request.

jr souza jr

according to market update they are 95% freelance written and buy 1st NA seerial rights for 6 months

mary rosenblum

Let me explain that 95% freelance written, folks.

mary rosenblum

A lot of students misunderstand what it means... and they may buy FNA for most things...

mary rosenblum

and tell you that they will buy something else in a different format.

mary rosenblum

Nearly ALL mags are mostly freelance written...

mary rosenblum

they don't have enough staff to WRITE the magazine. Editing, ads, layout, design, and marketing are enough of a job.

mary rosenblum

BUT that does NOT mean 95% new writers!

mary rosenblum

And that is why some magazines in the Best of, for example, are listed as good places for new writers.

mary rosenblum

They tend to buy more from unpublished newbies.

mary rosenblum

Better Homes, National Geographic, Family Circle...

mary rosenblum

they're all written by mostly freelancers.

mary rosenblum

Will they buy from you?

mary rosenblum

Very unlikely. Definintely not, National Geo.

speckledorf

Sorry...not me.. Was CC...but I don't think she redid hers to fit the market.

mary rosenblum

Oh, that's right...

mary rosenblum

And that's it. The story will have to fit this rigid new format...if you want to publish...go write for it.

mary rosenblum

I bet they're buying.

mary rosenblum

Another piece in the WW issue...a common sort here....

mary rosenblum

is a series of tips on how to look slimmer in dress. No by line. House written. Their how-to photo essays do seem to be a house feature, so don't bother to query on that.

mary rosenblum

They have an article on exercise tips from life coaches and that IS written by someone...

mary rosenblum

as are a couple of other interview type pieces in here.

mary rosenblum

So if you can interview someone who will appeal ...remember!....to your target audience...you may sell.

mary rosenblum

Who's your target audience? Young, stay at home, middle income moms, probably Christian and conservative...

mary rosenblum

whose tips or interview will they want to read? Think about that, and whom you know.

mary rosenblum

They have a personal narrative that's an 'as told to' piece.

mary rosenblum

About some strangers who saved a mother and child in an accident.

mary rosenblum

So think 'as told to' if you know anyone who was involved in a dramatic event.

gail

Off-topic: You once held a forum re: by-lines. Do you recall when that was and if it's still available on the web-site? If not, would you consider doing another -- unfortunately for me, I missed the first one.

mary rosenblum

by lines, Gail? It would have been some other topic...what do you mean by that?

gail

Would you say that the more frequently a mag is published equates to a greater need for freelance articles?

mary rosenblum

Absolutely! This thing comes out weekly! That's a HUGE job and they need a very large inventory to keep this going.

mary rosenblum

THis is why I often send students this way.

mary rosenblum

They ARE hungry.

mary rosenblum

A mag with a few issues a year will probably have a solid stable of reliable pros who write regularly for them.

mary rosenblum

They'll be harder to break into...and clips and expertise will tend to matter more.

mary rosenblum

A new magazine that can't pay well will be avoided by the big pros...

mary rosenblum

they're hungry and they ARE clips.

mary rosenblum

A weekly needs way more than a bi-monthly.

janp

And they pub weekly,more chances. but they are selective

janp

your article/story has to fit their approach

mary rosenblum

That is ALWAYS true no matter how often they publish.

mary rosenblum

I can't stress this enough.

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Editors have an agenda.

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They want specific things in their magazines.

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They're not just holding a contest, saying, 'OK, whoevers' best this week, we'll publish'.

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they want PARTICULAR types of articles and you can be the best writer on the planet...

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but if you send that editor a stunningly beautiful piece that does not fit it WILL BE REJECTED

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When was the last time you saw that gorgeous, beautifully written piece about the Bush Tribesmen in the Kalahari in the middle of Family Circle?

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There is a REASON it's not there, and not just because nobody sent in a beautiful piece on the Kalihari!

sailor

After you buy your sample mag issues, how long are they good for? Do you buy at least one a year to see if they've changed?

mary rosenblum

If you start selling to them, you should get some inkling of changes, sailor.

mary rosenblum

Either the editor will quit (and then you'll have to read issues to see what the new slant is), or you'll get told to do things differently.

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If you aren't selling, then check back in, yes.

gail

Re: By-lines. I asked what to include in a by-line, and whether a variety of them were needed for various markets. You replied that it would be good to discuss it and you held either a forum or casual chat session on the topic. I just can't remember WHEN that was. :-/

mary rosenblum

I think you mean bio, gail? A 'by line' is the By Your Name.

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Or do you mean clips?

joanc

Mary, one of the magazines in BMM says: one time rights, pays on acceptance but they want you to send the ms plus per story, what's up with that?

mary rosenblum

It's a reading fee. Is this a fiction mag? And which one, btw?

mary rosenblum

Another good reason to read the mag...

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at the bottom of a reader personal narrative...the one where I mentioned they included the location...

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so it was clearly a reader send-in and not a pro submisison...

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in the fine print, it says 'have a personal story or original reader tip to share? Send it to...and they give the snail and email contact info...

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and says they'll pay their usual rate: 250 for feature length and 50 for tips.

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That's a specific call that means they need lots of these.

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And it's a GOOD way to break in.

gail

Yes, Mary, I did mean bio. However, would you explain the difference for me -- I thought they were the same thing.

mary rosenblum

I'm pretty sure I did a forum on bios just recently. Check the transcripts...

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I talked about what editors want to see in that bio...and I probably touched on which clips to send...

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those that are either large circulation magazines...

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or are similar markets.

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This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. Today we're analyzing magazines for market potential. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.

joanc

It is Sensations Magazine, they take mysteries and SF, they also seek work by unpublished writers

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Hmmm...Me, I get paid. I don't pay anyone to publish my work, and if I were you, I'd cultivate the same standard.

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It is NOT a well regarded pro mag in the SF/fantasy universe I can tell you. If your magazine...

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is funded by the slush pile, why should you worry about the quality of what you publish?

tory

Mary re: Joan's question, does that mean that mag wants to read any and every article offered to it? They wouldn't need to seel advertising!

mary rosenblum

yep.

joanc

I agree Mary, I came across it when I was researching the markets for Assign. 5

mary rosenblum

I'll mention that to LR.

jr souza jr

Mary your bio/resume forum was held on 9/8/2004 and is in the transcripts. I got dumped looking for it so you may have already answered this

mary rosenblum

oooh, thanks, jr!

mary rosenblum

Johnny... I saw your question, even though you couldn't send it to me.

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He asked how to polish up a rejected query for the next market.

mary rosenblum

Actually, you will never...one of those RARE nevers!...use the same query for the next market.

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That magazine is not identical to this magazine.

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You will change the slant and style of your query to suit THIS magazine.

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So it's not a matter of stuffing it into a new envelope.

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They might be very similar and your only real change may be voice.

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Say you start with WW and pitch an piece about making the first day of school fun for a kindergartner.

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In keeping with that upbeat/inspiration/entertainment slant to stay at homes...

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you might suggest special breakfast, making a scrapbook page to celebrate..,.something fun, not very serious, and light.

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It doesn't sell.

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So you pitch the idea to Parents Mag...

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and of course it's much more serious and in depth this time...

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and you touch on talking about fears, how to leave your child if he/she is upset...

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or something like that.

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Totally different slants...same topic.

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Your query is not something to polish...it's something you write every single time fresh to the magazine you are about to query.

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It should never be exactly the same twice unless the magazines are very very similar.

t green

so when you send a query in, do you already have the article written? and do you have to re-write it every time you query?

mary rosenblum

No, don't write the article first! Why waste your time if you don't know it'll sell.

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Have your facts, your research, your interview done.

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If you get a yes, THEN write it.

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That's how pros do it.

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If a perfect article wakes you up, go ahead and write it and then query markets...

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but if that article doesn't force you to write it, wait until you get a yes to your query.

janp

One topic I haven't seen in WW is pets...Tempted to try one?

mary rosenblum

Well, me, I figure if I don't see it, they don't want it, janp.

mary rosenblum

don't forget...

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editors are not dependent on the query slush.

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If they want something, they'll call a regular contributor and ask for it.

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If I were tempted to try one, I'd slant it heavily to the child care thing...

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your child's first pet...a primer on buying a simple gold fish set up or something...

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a 'fun with kids' angle.

tory

(Sorry if this is a repeat, I got tossed out1) Re: queries: If/when you query re: a novel, those queries own't have to be so different, right?

mary rosenblum

Oh, no, we're merely talking nonfiction magazines here.

mary rosenblum

A novel query is an entirely different critter. :-)

christopher dale

- Wh has WW's weeb site? The only one my migraine ridden brain can find is based out of the UK... :-(

mary rosenblum

Chris, I've found it online but didn't bookmark it.

mary rosenblum

You can try the one from the inside cover: www.kable.com/Woman'sWorld That may not be their main website, but try it.

mary rosenblum

Thanks for coming, all.

mary rosenblum

It's hard to figure out markets when you're first starting out.

janp

Thanks for another Oregon hour. I'm going to the dogs--true

mary rosenblum

Have fun, jan!

mary rosenblum

Try the pet article with WW.

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It's much tougher to figure out fiction mags...a lot of issues complicate things...

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but we'll take a look at how to evaluate different markets.

mary rosenblum

Fiction guidelines ALL read alike!

t green

i read somewhere that magazines sell an image more than anything... any truth to that?

mary rosenblum

It's a style/voice...yes...that is what the mag sells.

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Your piece must fit it.

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They won't change it for you.

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Same as with a fiction mag.

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People read Analog or Glimmer Train...

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because they like that THAT editor chooses.

joanc

Mary WW website. www.magazinesofamerica.com

mary rosenblum

Oh, thanks, Joan!

mary rosenblum

They actually have a bunch of email addresses and websites!

christopher dale

That url got me to their FAQ and from there it had an address to mail unsolicted articles to. Thanks...

mary rosenblum

Good, glad that one works, too, Chirs.

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Well, drop in tomorrow for our casual chat!

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And keep an eye out for the update this week...

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I'll be at a huge four day dog show this weekend...

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and may have to change the schedule for Friday's forum...

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depending on when my obedience classes are scheduled.

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