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mary rosenblum
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Hello, all!
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mary rosenblum
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I hope you had a great
weekend.
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mary rosenblum
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It's too sunny here...
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mary rosenblum
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We Oregonians dry out without
regular rain!
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mary rosenblum
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This is the Tuesday Forum with
me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer, talking
about plot. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask
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bengalrose
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We Californian have been
drowning in all your Oregonian rain ;-)
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mary rosenblum
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I know and you all can send it
back now! :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Got my page proofs of the
story that will be out in Fantasy and SF today...
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mary rosenblum
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ah, there's something you can
look forward to, heheh.
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mary rosenblum
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Page proofs.
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gail
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Okay, sigh, I'm back to my
"neolithic" tale again...I've been working on it so long now and
developed so many plot lines, I'm sure I have the makings of a novel.
However, I'd still like to shorten the piece to a S/Story first, and have
the novel ideas on hold until I see how the SS is accepted. Is this a good
approach?
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mary rosenblum
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Well, gail, I would NEVER
decide on whether or not to do a novel based on a lukewarm rejection by ss
readers...
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mary rosenblum
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but it's certainly encouraging
if you get a lot of positive feedback on something short.
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mary rosenblum
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Certainly, being able to tell
an editor that a short story in the same universe has been published, is a
selling point in your favor.
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mary rosenblum
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You''re starting with some
readership.
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wingedwarrior24
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may sound stupid, but what is a
plot?
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mary rosenblum
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Winged, this is an IDEAL
question to start off, and I'll touch on what gail asked afterward!
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mary rosenblum
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What IS plot? We throw the
word around as if everyone knows it, but I bet a few of you aren't quite
sure.
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gail
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Why do you say a SS's acceptance
or rejection would NEVER (highly unusual for you, Mary!) be a consideration
in whether or not to write a novel from a shorter piece?
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mary rosenblum
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okay, I'll answer this before
I define plot. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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I said 'never' based on a
lukewarm response to your story, gail.
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mary rosenblum
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Short story audiences and
novel audiences are not identical.
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mary rosenblum
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And what may simply appear and
arouse no particular applause in a short story..
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mary rosenblum
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may be very popular as a
novel.
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mary rosenblum
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If your short story gets award
nominations or wins a big award..
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mary rosenblum
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by all MEANS consider the
novel unless you really don't want to do it.
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mary rosenblum
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As to plot,
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mary rosenblum
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it is simply a problem and
resolution that face a character.
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mary rosenblum
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Plot combines with character
and setting to form the tripod of 'story'.
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mary rosenblum
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Now there are stories where
the plot is minimal...
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mary rosenblum
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but it's there. It may be
totally internal and nothing much happens in terms of actoin.
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mary rosenblum
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It may be totally
external...the MC fights off the lions...
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mary rosenblum
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but that sort of story is
pretty thin, too.
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mary rosenblum
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The strongest stories...no
matter what length..
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mary rosenblum
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is where you character deals
with both an internal and externa plot.
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mary rosenblum
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I rough those plots out as
totally separate entities when I'm planning a story.
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christopher dale
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My hardest problem isn't coming
up with a plot. it's following through to make sure the plot is complete,
byt the end of the story. And have all those mini-plots tied up and
complete.
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mary rosenblum
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This is a problem that a lot
of 'start from page one and go' writers have, Chris...
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mary rosenblum
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because in a novel length work
it's very easy to lose track of subplots and to leave them dangling.
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mary rosenblum
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It helps to keep a running log
of what happens when so you can recall what needs to be fixed if you began
your subplot...
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mary rosenblum
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in ch3, let it sort of
disappear in the middle of the book and by the end have forgotten it.
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wingedwarrior24
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plot is a problem and
resolution...thought that was conflict.
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mary rosenblum
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conflict is the problem.
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mary rosenblum
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Plot is problem (conflict) and
resolution.
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christopher dale
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But I tend to have that problem
with SSs also... :-O I get tied up int he moment (Ok - y'all KNEW this was
coming) my Sotrybard article helps me a LOt, but I still lose sight and end
up with different plots, a lot.
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mary rosenblum
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Well, a lot of that, Chris, is
probably your level of experience right now.
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mary rosenblum
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I used to have the same
problem when I first was publishing...
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mary rosenblum
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I'd start a story and by the
time I'd ended it, the plot had morphed all over the place..
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mary rosenblum
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and I'd have to rewrite it to
get everything in order.
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mary rosenblum
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Now, I'm simply MUCH better at
letting the story evolve to its fullest before I write it.
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mary rosenblum
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I still find new things and
change plots in midstream, but not as often.
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mary rosenblum
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me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer, talking
about plot. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask
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christopher dale
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YES! Morphing happens a LOT so I
spend a TON of time finding where I fouled up and retracking back...
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mary rosenblum
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You'll get better at it. Don't
be in such a rush to start.
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mary rosenblum
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That helps. :-)
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margieh
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If you write a story and find
more than one issue, what questions do you ask yourself to help you define
what the real conflict is?
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mary rosenblum
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That's an excellent question,
margieh.
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mary rosenblum
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If often happens that as you
evolve your character in a story...
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mary rosenblum
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you'll find that their issues
are not quite what you thought.
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mary rosenblum
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And that may indeed change
your plot. Done that many times. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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What you need to ask is...who
has the most at stake here...
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mary rosenblum
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that gives you your real main
character...
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mary rosenblum
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and what really matters to
him/her?
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mary rosenblum
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And for that, you have to know
your character intimately, which is why you may find that you need to
change the plot...
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mary rosenblum
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as the character grows. You
may find new isuses that are more important.
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jackie7777
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External / Internal Plots -
explain please?
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mary rosenblum
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Internal conflict and
resolution (plot) is something that is 'broken' in your characater and
needs to be fixed.
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mary rosenblum
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It will be fixed (or will fail
to be fixed) as the external plot works itself out.
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mary rosenblum
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External plot is the MC
dealing with situations from beyond his/her control.
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mary rosenblum
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External is MC fighting off
the lions.
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mary rosenblum
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Internal is MC who is a
failure because he believes he can never live up to his father's
expectations...
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mary rosenblum
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and when his little sister is
attacked by those lions, he kills one, and realizes he's a lot more
competant than he thought.
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mary rosenblum
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His 'flaw' is fixed by killing
the lion and now readers know he will be much stronger and better adult.
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redneckgirl-7
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Mary what about true crime plot
you have victim murderer and verdict for plot correct
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mary rosenblum
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Yes, redneck, and true crime
is a very 'thin' genre...that is, it's a fast, entertaining read..
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mary rosenblum
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and rarely bothers with
serious character development. It's usually an action driven external plot
story.
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mary rosenblum
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It's one of the 'formula'
genres, like category romance.
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wingedwarrior24
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does there have to be an
antagonist in the plot?
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wingedwarrior24
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external and internal plots, are
those parralell plots?
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mary rosenblum
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Well, winged, you don't have
to have an antagonist per se, as long as you have a conflict.
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mary rosenblum
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You can have a character
struggling to survive in the jungle after a plane crash...
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mary rosenblum
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and that jungle is, in fact,
your antagonist.
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mary rosenblum
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In a very internal plot, the
MC may be both protagonist and antagonist...
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mary rosenblum
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as he/she struggles to deal
with a serious character flaw.
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mary rosenblum
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External antagonists are quite
useful for creating strong peaks of tension.
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This is the Tuesday Forum with
me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer, talking
about plot. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask
a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at
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redneckgirl-7
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is that either good or bad
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mary rosenblum
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True crime? It's neither,
redneck. It's just how the genre works.
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budro
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can your antagonist actually end
up helping the MC
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mary rosenblum
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Absolutely, budro, and that's
a powerful component of many complex novels...
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mary rosenblum
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where the people who seem to
begin painted in black and white...
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mary rosenblum
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end up in various shades of
gray...
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mary rosenblum
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and that 'bad guy' isn't
really quite so bad after all...
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mary rosenblum
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They can have a lot of impact.
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gail
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How exactly do you go about
"roughing out" those various plotlines?
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mary rosenblum
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I just realized I missed the
other half of your question, winged....
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mary rosenblum
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about parallel plots.
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mary rosenblum
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No, internal and external
plots are not parallel plots...
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mary rosenblum
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they are
intertwined...generally, as the MC deals with the external plot...
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mary rosenblum
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fighting off the lion in our
example...
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mary rosenblum
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the process of handling the
external conflict forces him/her...
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mary rosenblum
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to deal with that internal
conflict at the same time...
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mary rosenblum
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so they constantly play off of
each other.
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mary rosenblum
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Parallel plots generally
involve two separate main characters...
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mary rosenblum
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who diverge at some point in
the story and converge again...
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mary rosenblum
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usually at the climax of the
story.
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tory
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Mary, many novels begin with two
seemingly different story threads and they meet along the way. I've done a
short story using this technique, total of 5 scenes. One reader's feedback
was she wanted to see a connection in the first scene. But my whole point
is to show how they come together. Is a short story too short for this plot
technique?
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mary rosenblum
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Well, this is exactly what you
have tory...
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mary rosenblum
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and while you can do anything
in fiction, your reader's comment may indicate that you don't have quite
enough to hold the reader to two separate stories yet.
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mary rosenblum
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You may need to work harder at
engaging your reader.
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mary rosenblum
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REmember, if there is no early
connection, you are telling two stories under one roof...
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mary rosenblum
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and they must each be so
strong that your reader can skip to the other and long to come back to this
one.
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mary rosenblum
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As to roughing out plot
lines...
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mary rosenblum
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I tend to begin with either
the internal or external plot when I get a story idea.
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mary rosenblum
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So before I begin writing, I
grow the character for awhile until I'm sure of the other, missing,
conflict and resolution...
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mary rosenblum
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and how it works with its
complimentary conflict/resolution.
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mary rosenblum
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In a short story, that usually
takes the form of a handful of scribbled notes.
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mary rosenblum
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In novel form, it's part of a
chapter outline.
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christopher dale
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Not sure of the releveance
(Doubt there is any), but.... :-) A have a storyboard template created for
those who are too intimidated by the how to part. I have had several ppl
tell me (here in this room) before that the instructions scared them.
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christopher dale
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So I sent them a pre-made
template. If you want to give my e-mail addy (author@candp-ent.com) out, I
will send the tempalte to anyone who wants it... :-)
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mary rosenblum
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That's very generous of you,
chris.
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mary rosenblum
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If you haven't visited it,
Chris has a story board template how to on the website...
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mary rosenblum
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that gives you a form where
you can fill in your scenes or chapters if you're roughing out your story.
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mary rosenblum
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It can be very helpful.
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gail
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Can you define "theme"
and tell me how it relates to plot? And, is this more a
"literary" device/necessity?
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budro
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how is plot connected to theme?
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mary rosenblum
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Theme is simply what you are
really talking about in your story.
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mary rosenblum
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Let's look at our lion
story...
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mary rosenblum
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We have a young kid who saves
his sister and changes his feelings about himself.
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mary rosenblum
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This could be called a coming
of age story...
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mary rosenblum
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he steps out of his identity
and into the identity of an adult...
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mary rosenblum
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or it could have a strong
'self empowerment' theme.
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mary rosenblum
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and believe me, many many
writers can only tell you what the theme is after the story...
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mary rosenblum
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is partly or entirely written!
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mary rosenblum
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So if you're not sure, don't
worry about it.
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mary rosenblum
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Your story DOES have a theme
unless it's just a superficial action romp without real characters.
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mary rosenblum
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If you can't figure it out,
some reviewer will tell you, don't worry! LOL
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sailor
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Method question: When roughing
out the plot and all the subplots, you do them separately first? Then later
you figure out how to weave them together?
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mary rosenblum
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I don't, sailor. As my
secondary characters begin to grow and evolve in a novel, my subplots tend
to arise from them...
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mary rosenblum
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and I don't know them well
enough at first to predict where they will occur.
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mary rosenblum
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If I come up with a subplot
when I'm roughing out my first draft outline, I'll put it in, but I always
have room to add more.
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geezer
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Is there a guide line on how
many subplots to have?
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mary rosenblum
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No, geezer. They are a great
way to keep the 'desert of a middle' of a novel from being a desert!
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mary rosenblum
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But you don't what to have so
many that your main plot dwindles in importance..
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mary rosenblum
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to just another subplot and
the reader really isn't sure what the story IS here.
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dale
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Earlier you mentioned romance as
a genre that may not ...
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dale
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follow this plot thing. Is that
true?
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mary rosenblum
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Not romance in general,
dale...category romance.
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mary rosenblum
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Those are imprints from the
big romance houses: Harlequin-Sillhouette and the like.
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mary rosenblum
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They have very specific rules
for their various lines and often, internal plot is minimized.
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mary rosenblum
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The romance is the central and
primary focus.
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mary rosenblum
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But lots of romance is NOT
category and it's plotted the same way as any other fiction.
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dale
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I'm new at this and you just
lost me, category romance?
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mary rosenblum
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Some publishers who publish
romance only...Harlequin-Sillhouette primarily...
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mary rosenblum
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publish lines of romance books
that are VERY much alike.
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mary rosenblum
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Readers want them to be
similar, so there are very specific rules for what a writer may and may not
include.
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mary rosenblum
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This is the Tuesday Forum with
me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer, talking
about plot. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask
a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at
the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a
question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in
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redneckgirl-7
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Mary when plotting your novel
can you back plot draw the readers attention and then go back an pplot the
chacters persay
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mary rosenblum
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Well, what I THINK you are
saying redneck, is can you write the first draft focusing on the external
plot...
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mary rosenblum
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then write a second draft
where you fill in the characterization?
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mary rosenblum
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Yes, of course.
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mary rosenblum
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Most of my characterization
occurs on draft two.
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mary rosenblum
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I really don't know my
characters well enough until the end of draft one...
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mary rosenblum
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although I DO know my main
character conflict/resolution before I begin. :-)
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margieh
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Does fiction have to have plot
or conflict? If it was character driven, does the change in the character
replace plot/conflict or does something else drive the story?
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mary rosenblum
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Conflict always drives the
story, margieh.
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mary rosenblum
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Do you really WANT to listen
to your neighbor describe her day in detail?
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mary rosenblum
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She'll give you lots of
details about washing the dishes, vaccuming, making the beds...
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mary rosenblum
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but would you pay 24.99 to
read about this?
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mary rosenblum
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Even when a story is entirely
character focused, you'll find conflict in the character interactions or
within the main character.
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mary rosenblum
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And there's one of those rare
'always', aha!
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mary rosenblum
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If you have no conflict...no
problem..in your chracter's journey through the Amazon, then you have a
travelog.
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mary rosenblum
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If he's overcoming dangers,
obstacles, if he's pressured for time...he must get this research done in
order to stop loggers...then we have excitement and reason to keep
reading...
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mary rosenblum
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even if we're not wildly
excited by the description of the jungle.
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mary rosenblum
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Conflict can be very
subtle...it may not be obvious at all...
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mary rosenblum
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but it's there. It's the heart
of story.
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sailor
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If you have your novel partly
written and realize you need another conflict to keep things moving, do you
rough that one separately as well or do you just start adding it?
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mary rosenblum
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I would step back, sailor, and
figure out roughly how and where to bring it in before I started...
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mary rosenblum
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it saves rewriting later, when
you realize you've painted yourself into a corner!
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mary rosenblum
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Been there done that!!!
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jackie7777
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Can I end a story with a new
conflict for the MC?
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mary rosenblum
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Sure, Jackie, as long as you
resolved the conflict of THIS story to the readers' satisfaction.
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mary rosenblum
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Lots of books have that
'series' end where you realize that more adventures await.
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wingedwarrior24
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I have trouble coming up with
protagonist and antagonist where the protagonist wins, is this commen with
newbies?
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mary rosenblum
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Oh, abosolutely, winged. :-) I
was just as guilty of it as any newbie!
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mary rosenblum
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One too many readings of Hamlet
and MacBeth??? LOL
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mary rosenblum
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It's easy to mistake the
failure of the MC as 'high tragedy' that will instantly move the reader.
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mary rosenblum
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And actually it's very hard to
create a 'failed MC' ending that is powerful enough to move the reader.
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mary rosenblum
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That end can be very powerful,
but it's tough to pull off...
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mary rosenblum
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because as readers, we don't
really like losers. We know far too many of 'em in real life.
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mary rosenblum
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So you have to create an
ending that the reader cannot avoid no matter how much he/she wants to
resist...
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mary rosenblum
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and alas, most novice writers
use 'tragic endings' as a short cut instead of building real characters.
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mary rosenblum
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They figure if they just off
the good guy, their readers will be overwhelmed. Far from it.
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christopher dale
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Turttledove did a nice job in
his Alternate reality series about WWII... Kept me buying ALL the books
inthe series. But he did the same type of ending for the last book. Left
you hanging. Made me upset that, after 4+ books, no more were coming, and
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mary rosenblum
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Aaah...but I have the insiders
POV here. Don't blame Harry...
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mary rosenblum
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I do believe he meant to have
that next book out.
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mary rosenblum
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Publishers have the last word
about that, remember.
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mary rosenblum
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I have a lot of mystery fans
who scold me for not writing more of my mystery series...
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mary rosenblum
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but it wasn't my choice. The
series got cancelled when my editor quit.
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budro
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how much plot can you actually
fit into 750-1000 words?
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mary rosenblum
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You can fit an entires
conflict/resolution both internal and external, budro...
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mary rosenblum
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but you'll imply a LOT.
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mary rosenblum
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You can't evolve it in front
of the reader...
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gail
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I like to have all my story
ideas, conflicts, etc. in hard copy -- easier for me to access when
writing. So, for every story, I start a folder, have one clipped section
for characters, one for setting, and one for plot. To each of these
sections, I add pictures, ideas, and research info that is pertinent. But,
my "iceberg" is HUMONGOUS!!! Any ideas to streamline this method?
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mary rosenblum
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Sorry...it sounds WAY too much
like mine!
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mary rosenblum
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-)
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christopher dale
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But he announced he had one book
left. And that ONE book was what STILL left you hanging. The humans were
now soaring to the alien planet and earth was STILL held captive by
aliens...
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mary rosenblum
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Well, Harry was leaving the
door open for more. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Write him a letter and scold
him.
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christopher dale
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So a parallel plot would be like
my MC (in my novel) out to kill the Antogonist, yet plotting the
Antogonist's rise to power and what he planned to accomplished when he got
there?.?
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mary rosenblum
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Not quite. A parallel plot
would be, say, a young princess and a stableboy in a small kingdom...
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mary rosenblum
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who fall in love, but clearly
they can never marry!
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mary rosenblum
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And then the kingdom is
conquered by the evil king next door...
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mary rosenblum
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and the two lovers are
separated...the princess escapes although everyone including the stableboy
thinks she is dead...
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mary rosenblum
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and he is taken as a slave...
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mary rosenblum
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and the book then switches
between the two stories...
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mary rosenblum
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as the princess ends up in
another kingdom and rises to some power...
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mary rosenblum
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and the stableboy escapes to
become the captain of a rival king's army...
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mary rosenblum
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and each of them wants
vengeance on the evil king...
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mary rosenblum
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and their stories reconverge
when both kingdoms they are living in join in an attack on the evil king...
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mary rosenblum
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and they are reunited in time
to kill him.
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mary rosenblum
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You have two separate MCs and
two separate plot lines that diverge and reconverge...
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mary rosenblum
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and is this something that is
a snap to do?
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mary rosenblum
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Nope. You have to keep the
reader engaged as you skip from one story to the other..
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mary rosenblum
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and you have to balance those
stories so that readers...
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mary rosenblum
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don't spend too long in one
story and forget the other!
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mary rosenblum
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But it can work nicely when it
works.
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mary rosenblum
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This is the Tuesday Forum with
me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer, talking
about plot. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask
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frazz
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What about, say, a Dean Koontz
story where the characters all start in different places and you wonder
"How are they all going to end up together in the end?" and he
intertwines the story so they do?"
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mary rosenblum
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Yeah, that's another form of
this...call it the converging plot story...
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mary rosenblum
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where the characters only come
together to deal with the main climax...
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mary rosenblum
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and begin in separate spaces.
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mary rosenblum
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Again..
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mary rosenblum
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the one drawback with this
type of story is that you have to be good enough...
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mary rosenblum
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with characters that your
readers are willing to keep switching from POV to POV. Koontz is. It's
risky for novice writers...
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mary rosenblum
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because if your characters are
kind of similar, not very compelling, readers will get confused...
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mary rosenblum
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or will lost interest in ALL
the characters as they keep head hopping.
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mary rosenblum
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Does that mean you should NOT
try these forms if you are a new writer?
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mary rosenblum
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No.
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mary rosenblum
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But realize that you are
tackling a challenge.
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mary rosenblum
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Too often, novice writers see
something like that which works in those Koontz stories...
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mary rosenblum
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and they think, 'oh, I get it,
use this kind of plot and it's a sure seller'.
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mary rosenblum
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But that's reversing the
reality.
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mary rosenblum
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Theyl
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mary rosenblum
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They work IN SPITE of that
construction!
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frazz
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Would "hopping heads"
work "best" if you did it per chapter?
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mary rosenblum
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Absolutely, frazz. If at ALL
possible switch POV at the chapter break.
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mary rosenblum
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If you must switch POV within
a chapter, do it at a scene break.
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frazz
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I have to agree...I've read lots
of books, especially romance, where the author hops from hero to heroine
and it gets kinda confusing as to who's thinking what.
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mary rosenblum
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It is confusing and even if
you're very skillful, you can still confuse readers.
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redneckgirl-7
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Mary off the subjuect of plots I
started using Microsoft works can you or anyone tell me how to put in page
numbers without putting them on tiltle or fist chapter page I can not get
it to work
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mary rosenblum
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I can tell you how to do it
with Word, redneck, but I bet if you were to private message
gary...gskearney...he could tell you.
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mary rosenblum
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(putting Gary on the spot!
Sorry Gary! )
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mary rosenblum
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Actually, others there can
probably help you, too.
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mary rosenblum
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Realize that putting your
header/page number on page one is NOT going to get your ms rejected, okay?
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frazz
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How do they get away with that?
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mary rosenblum
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Well, alas, frazz. publication
is not a guarantee of quality.
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mary rosenblum
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There are some very poor books
on the shelves, and some excellent ones that are in ms form.
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mary rosenblum
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What drives publishing is
sales, nothing more, nothing less.
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mary rosenblum
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Sad reality, but that's what
it is.
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frazz
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Afraid you were going to say
that... :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Yep. Once upon a time it
wasn't so, but that was a looong time ago...before my time as a pro, alas.
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mary rosenblum
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Actually, for all the very
short word limits of the LR assignments drive students wild...
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mary rosenblum
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they are VERY good at teaching
plot.
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mary rosenblum
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The more you can recognize
your main plot elements, the faster you will learn to make plot work for
you...
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mary rosenblum
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rather than merely working for
your plot.
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geezer
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Another off topic. I never seem
to be able to come up with a good title. Suggestion?
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mary rosenblum
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Ha, if you figure out a good
method, let me know will you?
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mary rosenblum
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I SWEAT titles!
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mary rosenblum
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And some editors will retitle
your books...a mixed blessing.
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budro
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since we are off topic, my
lastest story assingment is set in where I live in Mexico, how do I use
Spanish in the story?
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mary rosenblum
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Good question, budro. And
GREAT setting! Cool!
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mary rosenblum
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Really use those details!
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mary rosenblum
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As to foreign languages...or
alien languages for that matter...
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mary rosenblum
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they appear in italic, which
means you underline them in the ms text...
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mary rosenblum
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and avoid translating if you
can get away with it.
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mary rosenblum
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Try to let the reader guess
the meaning from the context even if they might not get it exactly.
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mary rosenblum
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It is a major authorial
intrusion to add that translation, really reminds readers that they are NOT
living your story.
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mary rosenblum
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And go ahead and add the tag
line, 'she said in Spanish' as long as your POV character understands the
language.
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gskearney
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Letting the reader guess, makes
me really angry with the writer when I can't actually guess the meaning
though. --gk
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mary rosenblum
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Me, too, which is why you work
at that context!
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mary rosenblum
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Jonathan knocked on the door
and asked the gray haired woman who answered if this was the road to Nunes.
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mary rosenblum
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"What, do you think I
have all day to stand around helping stupid tourists find their way?"
she sanpped in rapid-fire Spanish. "Go use one of your fancy computers
to find your way. Don't bother me!" And she slammed the door in his
face.
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mary rosenblum
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It would be quite hard to let
the reader guess that tirade from context.
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mary rosenblum
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Now if she just said 'Go away'
in Spanish, and slams the door...that's about 1 or 2 words and we'll get
it.
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ladybug
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Mary, What novel did you enjoy
writing the most?
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mary rosenblum
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The one I'm working on now.
Always.
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mary rosenblum
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That's always my favorite,
too.
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mary rosenblum
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-)
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budro
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how about "I stopped at an
aborrtes for a drink." ?"
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mary rosenblum
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That workes. While I don't
know ..with my very limited Spanish...quite what an aborrtes is, clearly
it's a bar or tavern or place where you can get something to drink. :-)
That's all you need.
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mary rosenblum
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This has been a fun Oregon
hour. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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I'll post the transcript at
'Writing Craft: Forum Transcripts'.
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mary rosenblum
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See you all in the morning...
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mary rosenblum
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for our regular open chat.
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mary rosenblum
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Same time same channel. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Happy plotting!
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