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mary rosenblum
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Hello all!
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mary rosenblum
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I hope you've all had a good
week!
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mary rosenblum
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Welcome to our Friday After
Hours Forum.
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mary rosenblum
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I wanted to talk about
publishing and all the options available to writers...it can seem pretty
overwhelming...
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mary rosenblum
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when you open a market list!
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mary rosenblum
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And markets have really
proliferated in the past ten years...
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mary rosenblum
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with the advent of 'ebooks and
'ezines, books on CD or for download, and the for-a-fee print on demand
publishers.
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mary rosenblum
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It gets really hard to know
what makes a good choice for marketing and what is a not so good choice!
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor and tonight we're talking about
publishing options. I've published seven novels and more than 60 short
stories and will do my best to answer any questions you have. If you're new
here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the
'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in
order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can
use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works
better for you..
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redhead68
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Mary what is a market list?
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mary rosenblum
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Redhead, a market list is
simply a book or a website that lists publishers and their guidelines for
submissions as well as the address for submission.
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mary rosenblum
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Best of the Magazine Markets
is sold by Long Ridge.
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mary rosenblum
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Writers Digest offers a Novel
guide.
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mary rosenblum
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And you'll find a host of free
and for pay market sources online just by googling writers markets.
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geezer
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I looking through the Best of
Magazine Markets. What is the difference between experimental,
contemporary, literary, and mainstream fiction?
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mary rosenblum
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They are subtle flavors of the
same genre, geezer.
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mary rosenblum
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Experimental means jus
that...it is written in an atypical form, not your usual fictional form.
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mary rosenblum
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Maybe it uses no punctuation.
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mary rosenblum
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Maybe it is written in the
form of a list.
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mary rosenblum
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It is a very small niche in
the rarified 'literary' end of the spectrum.
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mary rosenblum
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Contemporary means set in
today's world rather than the past or future.
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mary rosenblum
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Mainstream means it's not a
member of any genre...
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mary rosenblum
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not horror, mystery,
western,etc.
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mary rosenblum
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Literary means it is written
with an eye to form and style rather than conflict and character.
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wolf122
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How safe is it to publish
e-books? Couldn't anyone buy one copy, and then e-mail it to all over the
place?
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mary rosenblum
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Well, ebooks can be copied.
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mary rosenblum
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They can be encrypted to make
it difficult for the average person, but it'll happen, just as downloaded
stories and books can be shared around.
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mary rosenblum
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But people buy books and lend
them to their friends who then do NOT buy the book...
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mary rosenblum
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so you figure you lose some
sales but gain a word of mouth audience.
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mary rosenblum
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You can't totally control your
work.
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seigfried007
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or print out several copies and
sell them?
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mary rosenblum
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That has happened, and that's
when you prosecute.
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mary rosenblum
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I have had two stories in the
past year that were being sold on websites...
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mary rosenblum
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in one case SFWA shut the site
down with their lawyers...in the other, the SciFiction ezine sent their
lawyers after the person.
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mary rosenblum
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These people were selling
stories.
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mary rosenblum
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I personally have no problem
if people share my work around. Why get ulcers? I can't stop it, and in the
end, it increases my readers.
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mary rosenblum
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Most people do prefer to own
something they like and they want to buy the next book as soon as it comes
out...not borrow it later.
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writeaway
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But, on the flip-side, isn't it
a good way for a newbee to attain an audience?
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mary rosenblum
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Exactly.
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mary rosenblum
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But I do know writers who foam
at the mouth at the mere thought that someone might STEAL one of their
books.
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wolf122
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How long after trying and trying
with regular publishers, or receive rejection after rejection, do you turn
to small-press as a viable alternative?
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mary rosenblum
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You have to take that on a
story by story basis, wolf.
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mary rosenblum
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If you have a story that is
finished, polished, and you think it's great. Start at the top market.
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mary rosenblum
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Work your way 'down' according
to circulation and pay.
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mary rosenblum
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Realize that editors pay
attention to repeated submisisons even as they clip on the form rejection.
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mary rosenblum
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Continued silence does not
necessarily mean 'go away'.
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mary rosenblum
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It very likely means...'you're
getting better, in about two more tries, I think I"ll buy from you'.
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redhead68
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What do you put on a cover
letter when you haven't any clips?
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mary rosenblum
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Essentially, I really enjoy
your magazines, I think my story XXX fits it (and if you think it is
similar to a particular story you saw in the mag, say so)...
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mary rosenblum
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I hope you think so, too,
thank you for your time and attention.
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mary rosenblum
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THat's it.
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mary rosenblum
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If you have life experience
that relates to the story...
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mary rosenblum
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for example, it's a murder
mystery set in a zoo and you are a zoo keeper...
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mary rosenblum
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then say so. That expertise
will matter.
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mary rosenblum
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Otherwise, it's 'I think my
story fits, I like your magazine, here it is, thank you for your time'.
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mary rosenblum
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And don't forget that SASE!
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mary rosenblum
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Editors buy first stories all
the time!
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mary rosenblum
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You might be the next King.
They don't know. So they check you out.
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woods
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What about mags that read for a
fee?
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mary rosenblum
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Weeelll...some mags do
contests for a fee and publish the results.
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mary rosenblum
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I am fairly tolerant of
that...it keeps us pros out of the competition. Be glad.
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mary rosenblum
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BUT...if they simply require a
fee to read, period...hmmm...I wonder how this mag is actually making its
money, hum?
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mary rosenblum
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I would suspect a little scam
there.
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seigfried007
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what if your expertise comes
from less palatable experiences...
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mary rosenblum
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Hey, if you're on death row
and write a thriller from the POV of a serial killer (because you ARE one)
your editor's marketing department will drool!
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mary rosenblum
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There is no BAD publicity or
experience.
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seigfried007
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do you bother mentioning them in
cover letters or at all
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mary rosenblum
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Mention anything that will
help sell your ms, seig.
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mary rosenblum
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I have several inmates of
federal pens as students. I am always encouraging 'em to use their
experiences in life to write mystery, crime fiction, etc...
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mary rosenblum
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and of COURSE they need to
tell the editor where they live. :-) Besides, their address is on the ms.
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mary rosenblum
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And I keep suggesting they set
their fiction inside the prison.
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seigfried007
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but what if you're the victim?
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mary rosenblum
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Well, I suppose if I was the
victim and the guy who hurt me was making a fortune off my pain I'd talk to
my lawyer.
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mary rosenblum
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And that person cannot use the
victim identifiably in his fiction...
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mary rosenblum
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that's libel.
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mary rosenblum
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Or could be called libel and I
bet most juries would be on the victim's side.
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mary rosenblum
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But that's a very specific
type of instance, and not something you need to worry about genreally.
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seigfried007
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no, like: gee mister, i was
molested/raped/what have you, so i know how to write about a character
who's gone through similar things.
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mary rosenblum
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Oh...well, there are a lot of
published personal narrative books out there that are based on just
that...they're in the self help section and the person who wrote 'em made
good money.
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mary rosenblum
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Yes, people DO tell the editor
that.
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mary rosenblum
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Now if you're writing a
fiction book, and you write a very vivid scene of say, rape, from the
victim's pov...
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mary rosenblum
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no, you don't tell the editor
it's from personal experience.
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mary rosenblum
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That's not what the book is
ABOUT, while the self help book on 'recovering from trauma' is ABOUT that
victim's experience.
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mary rosenblum
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And it's a double edged sword,
by the way. LOL
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mary rosenblum
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If you write a very vivid scene
about some sort of mayhem...very realistic...your readers DO wonder just
how 'real' those details are!
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mary rosenblum
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Keep that in mind. :-) It can
be a bit of a jolt when you sudenly realize people think it might be based
on personal experience. :-)
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writeaway
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Mary, I noticed that in the past
few months, many of the markets aren't accepting ms' right now. do you see
this trend lasting long?
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mary rosenblum
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Oh, it's hard to say why a lot
are closed right now.
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mary rosenblum
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It's highly likely that a few
people own those various mags and have run out of funding.
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mary rosenblum
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That happens. Small
mags/ezines open, close, open, close.
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor and tonight we're talking about
publishing options. I've published seven novels and more than 60 short
stories and will do my best to answer any questions you have. If you're new
here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the
'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in
order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can
use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works
better for you..
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wolf122
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I'm half-way through a novel and
three short stories, all with the same characters--should I concentrate on
publishing the novel first, or would the short stories sell the novel
better?
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mary rosenblum
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Well, wolf, if you can publish
the stories...and especially if they get good reviews...
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mary rosenblum
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they will help you sell your
novel. But they're not NECESSARY.
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mary rosenblum
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Do you write SF?
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mary rosenblum
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The reason I ask, is that
Locus Magazine reviews nearly all SF short stories that get published...
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mary rosenblum
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and publishers DO read those
reviews, keeping an eye out for 'hot new writers'.
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mary rosenblum
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Not every genre has a good
single review source like that...
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mary rosenblum
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but there are a ton of awards
out there in all genres...
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mary rosenblum
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and if a short story wins an
award, publishers notice.
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ashton
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Does it matter to
editors/agents/publishers, ect. if your reseme is filled with published
pieces online or in a magazine...or is "published" published to
them?
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mary rosenblum
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Not at all, ashton.
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mary rosenblum
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Published is not published to
any professional in the field.
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mary rosenblum
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WHERE you are published
matters a lot.
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mary rosenblum
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Now editors do not know all
the mags/ezines out there...
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mary rosenblum
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so always mention a
publication. But they DO know all the main ones, so they'll just assume
it's small.
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mary rosenblum
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And it still benefits you...
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mary rosenblum
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it says you can accept
editing, turn a piece in on deadline, and didn't annoy the editor so much
he killed your piece. :-)
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redhead68
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Is there a LR course for novels
instead of short stories?
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mary rosenblum
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Not yet, redhead.
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mary rosenblum
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To be honest...taking the
short story course will do more for your novel craft to begin with than
taking the novel course alone.
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mary rosenblum
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You learn to write tight,
compact prose and that will help you beat out similar books in the VERY
competitive slush pile.
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mary rosenblum
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Most novice novelists write
VERY sloppy prose and editors really notice tight writing.
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writeaway
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I was cut off when you started
talking about contests, should a win be mentioned with clips, or does this
shout amateur?
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mary rosenblum
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Well, most of the time, to be
honest, a contest win just says amateur.
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mary rosenblum
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Because in reality, professionals
do not enter contests, even if they are open to pros.
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mary rosenblum
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But if you won something
HUGE...the Writers Digest Contest or Writers of the Future...
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mary rosenblum
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that's worth mentioning.
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redhead68
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Thanks, I am currently enjoying
breaking into print course
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mary rosenblum
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It's a good way to learn to
write well for your novel, redhead. :-)
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geezer
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Student Services said that we
need the recommendation of a teacher to take the novel course. On what
basis would we get the recommendation?
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mary rosenblum
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I think right now, a lot of
things are in flux, so I"m very reluctant to say much more about the
course.
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mary rosenblum
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Believe me, as soon as
everything is in place, I'll have all the details, but it's going to be
quite a bit farther down the road than I thought.
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor and tonight we're talking about
publishing options. I've published seven novels and more than 60 short
stories and will do my best to answer any questions you have. If you're new
here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the
'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in
order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can
use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works
better for you..
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catydorr
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How appropriate is it to put a
link in a cover letter where the editor can go to read some of your clips?
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mary rosenblum
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That's a VERY good thing to
do, caty, but only, of course, if the cover letter is an email!
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mary rosenblum
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I can PROMISE you that the
editor is HIGHLY unlikely to stop reading slush, bring up the internet and
go find your site if he has to type in the url.
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redhead68
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What was the first story you
ever sold, and to who?
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mary rosenblum
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I sold 'For A Price' to
Gardner Dozois, editor of Asimov's Magazine in 1988. It appeared along with
three other stories of mine in 1990.
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mary rosenblum
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And I"ve published more
than 50 since, along with lessee..eight novels now.
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mary rosenblum
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I've also been a Hugo Award
nominee, although I haven't had the honor of winning it. Yet. :-) Think
positive! LOL
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redhead68
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Neat, how many times did you
submit before being "Published"
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mary rosenblum
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I probably got rejected more
AFTER I got published than before, redhead.
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mary rosenblum
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I still get rejected. :-)
Everyone does.
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mary rosenblum
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Ha, if you think those
rejections are frustrating NOW, just wait until you start selling and you
still get 'em.
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mary rosenblum
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Then they REALLY bug you.
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mary rosenblum
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Until you really establish
yourself as a pro and then you realize they never go away and they don't
bother you any more. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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One of the things that new
writers really do have a hard time understanding is that 'Publication' is
NOT 'Publication'.
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mary rosenblum
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A book published with
iUniverse does not equate with a book published by Bantam or Random House
or even Fairwood Press (a small press house).
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mary rosenblum
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WHERE you publish is
important.
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mary rosenblum
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So DO start with the big
markets.
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mary rosenblum
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Yes it's frustrating, yes it
seems pointless when you get rejection after rejection...
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mary rosenblum
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but what you do NOT realize is
that editors are watching you...
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mary rosenblum
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and by the time you have sent
in your fifth story or query...
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mary rosenblum
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that editor knows your name if
you're halfway decent...
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mary rosenblum
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and if you're a LR student you
are.
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tkat_2
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Too bad we writers don't get the
same number of tries as actors do in Hollywood when looking for
that"perfect role".
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mary rosenblum
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How many is that, tkat?
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geezer
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Oh, for a rejection! All I get
is silence.
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mary rosenblum
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Is this on query letters,
geezer?
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geezer
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Manuscripts
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mary rosenblum
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You shouldn't get silence
forever geezer, but you may be expecting a response WAY too soon.
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mary rosenblum
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I figure six months before I
even wonder where the thing got to.
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mary rosenblum
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Most editors will at least
send you a rejection...as long as you include a SASE!
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mary rosenblum
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You ARE doing that, aren't
you?
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redhead68
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It's a bit confusing, you say
start at the top and work down, but I thought the goal was to start small
and collect clips to put on your resume/cover letter?
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mary rosenblum
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Yes, and yes, redhead. Now
you're really confused, right?
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mary rosenblum
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Okay, you always send your
work to a magazine where it fits...
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mary rosenblum
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whether that is a query for NF
or a story.
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mary rosenblum
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And you begin with the biggest
market you can find...
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mary rosenblum
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Yeah, your query will probably
be ignored at Good Housekeeping and you may finally sell it...
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mary rosenblum
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to tiny mag on Housekeeping on
a Budget put out by your state's Extension Office!
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mary rosenblum
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And then you have that clip.
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mary rosenblum
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But don't START wiht that
extension office mag if you think GH will want it!
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mary rosenblum
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Just don't decide you're a
lousy writer if the top markets ignore you.
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redhead68
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What software do you use to keep
track of all of your submissions?
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mary rosenblum
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Ah, it's very hi tech,
redhead. Now realize, I do mostly fiction. If was doing career freelance
NF, I'd use a spread sheet.
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mary rosenblum
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You do a LOT of queries and
you need something like a spreadsheet.
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mary rosenblum
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But for fiction, I have a
spiral steno book I began back in 1988. I write down title, publisher sent
to, date returned (or sold) and postage.
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mary rosenblum
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I have every submission I ever
made and every sale in there...and I highlight sales...
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mary rosenblum
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so it has become a 'flip book'
of my writing career. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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More pink highlighter as you
turn the pages. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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It's a good way to learn how
long an editor normally takes.
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mary rosenblum
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Gordon Van Gelder takes about
a month. Janet Hutchings at EQ takes three, Stan at Analog took four...
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redhead68
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Just keep submitting, submitting
submitting, right?
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mary rosenblum
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Yes. And you know why?
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mary rosenblum
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Editors are not looking for a
perfect story or a good article query...
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mary rosenblum
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yeah, they'll happily buy it
if it's perfect...but what they are REALLY...
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mary rosenblum
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looking for are reliable
productive writers who will fill 12 issues a year for 'em (or more).
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mary rosenblum
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And if they see good query
after good query...story after story...
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mary rosenblum
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and they're okay and slowly
getting better...
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mary rosenblum
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sooner or later they'll buy
one.
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mary rosenblum
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and I am NOT kidding...
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mary rosenblum
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if you are submitting
regulary, the editor knows your name.
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catydorr
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Ah, the importance of working on
more than one thing at a time and don't forget the SASE right?
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mary rosenblum
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It is a VERY good idea to have
multiple projects in circulation or at least under way.
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mary rosenblum
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Send this one out, work on
that one, then you don't watch the mailbox! Watching the mailbox is a great
way to get writers block and SERIOUS depression when the ms comes back !
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wingedwarrior24
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What exactly are queries?
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mary rosenblum
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Winged, nonfiction is usually
written to query.
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mary rosenblum
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You write to say, Fish and
Game, and say, 'hey, I've got this great interview with the guide who takes
hunters into outer Mongolia'.
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mary rosenblum
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And the editor of Fish and
Game writes back and says, "Great, I want 1500 words, send it to me'.
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mary rosenblum
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And you write it.
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redhead68
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Used to be a paralegal, we
didn't use those, have you found any software, or do you just keep it all
in your very flammable steno?
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mary rosenblum
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Oh it's all there waiting to
go up in flames if my house burns. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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I suppose it would fit in my
fire safe. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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I would use a spread sheet
program to track your submissions if you want to use software.
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mary rosenblum
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Quite a few writers I know
do..excel, whatever.
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mary rosenblum
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I know of not software
designed specifically to track subs, but it probably exists...more likely
in the freelance NF universe.
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wolf122
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Is there any way you could list
your top two or three publisher recomendations to submit for both fantasy
novels and mags?
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mary rosenblum
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Wolf there aren't many good
short fantasy markets now... mostly anthologies or novels.
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mary rosenblum
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Black Gate is good.
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mary rosenblum
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Fantasy is pretty much a novel
genre.
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wingedwarrior24
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I put the rejection on the top
page on my proccessor to remember and if I send it out I just delete, print
and then put it back. Is that a good idea?
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mary rosenblum
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Whatever works for you...just
be sure to delete it before you print and send the ms, LOL!
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redhead68
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Thanks Mary, I like paper method
also, just checking to see if there were any hi-tech ways to do it better:)
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mary rosenblum
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There probably are, as I said.
:-) But writers are mostly broke and cheap, so we may not be a very good market,
LOL
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info
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if you submit a ms or short to a
mag that states you'll get a response in 3 or 4 months and you get a
rejection in one month, could this be a good sign? Something like that your
ms was good but not what they are looking for?
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mary rosenblum
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It's hard to read response
time, info. It can be a sign that they aren't really looking for anybody
but a 'name'...
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mary rosenblum
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and just rushed through the
pile and dumped anybody they didn't recognize. They might be overstocked.
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mary rosenblum
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A long response time CAN mean
good things. Sometimes an editor will hold a firsttime sub, waiting for
space in a particularly strong issue..
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mary rosenblum
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where she can slip in a piece
from a new author.
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redhead68
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I hear that, my husband keeps
asking me when I'm going to get a PAYING job!
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mary rosenblum
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Most of us ask ourselves that
now and again, LOL
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ashton
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Would you say the market for
sci-fi is pretty stable right now and do you ever see it taking the back
seat?
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mary rosenblum
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The back seat to what, ashton?
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monda
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What about querying for
newspapers? I often see feature articles in the Washington Post
as"special to the Post" What's the best approach for presentation
here?
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mary rosenblum
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Journalism is its own
universe, monda, and I don't know a lot about it. BUT...
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mary rosenblum
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my friend Deborah Wood got a
weekly column in our metro paper here by writing a proposal to the senioor
editor of the Oregonian...
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mary rosenblum
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She pointed out that they had
no regular 'pet' column...
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mary rosenblum
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and gave him statistics on how
much Americans spend on pet products every year (in other words, think
advertisers)...
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mary rosenblum
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and she landed a weekly full
page feature.
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mary rosenblum
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She saw a need in the paper,
proposed filling it, and got the job.
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redhead68
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how is a Proposal different than
a Query?
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mary rosenblum
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Same thing. Different words.
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor and tonight we're talking about
publishing options. I've published seven novels and more than 60 short
stories and will do my best to answer any questions you have. If you're new
here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the
'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in
order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can
use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works
better for you..
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mary rosenblum
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Oh, Monda, if you run into
Owlybear on the site, he writes regulary for a couple of papers...ask him
how he got started. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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In fact you're here, owly. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Maybe you can answer that.
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ashton
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Well, everything seems to come
and go. I see a lot of Romance out there...and true stories are on the rise
along with reality tv. Do you suppose people will ever tire of UFO stories
and the like?
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mary rosenblum
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Oh, I see waht you mean!
Actually, SF/fantasy is a TINY genre...Mystery is MUCH bigger and
mainstream his huge.
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mary rosenblum
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Fads come and go.
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mary rosenblum
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Fantasy was very tiny for
awhile, but courtesy of Harry Potter it is larger than SF now, but still
relatively small.
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wolf122
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Would you send a short story to
multiple mags at once, or space them out over a month if you don't hear
anything?
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mary rosenblum
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Read the guidelines, wolf.
Most of them say 'no simultaneous submissions'.
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mary rosenblum
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While you may not get caught
doing that, if you do, you compromise your relationship with an editor who
was going to publish you. Not good.
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mary rosenblum
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In other words, the editor
sends you a letter and says, wow, good story, I want it.
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mary rosenblum
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Uh oh. You just sold it to a
small press mag!
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mary rosenblum
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So now you have to write back
to this editor and say, 'uh, gee, well, it's already sold'.
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mary rosenblum
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Don't hold your breath that
this editor will buy from you until you are a big name.
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mary rosenblum
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Now a lot of small press/ezine
markets do not have a problem with simultaneous submissions. Just check.
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writeaway
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I just submitted to Flashquake,
they were kind enough to let me know it was received and I would get a
response by August.
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mary rosenblum
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That's nice. The autoreply
feature is a very nice one when you're doing internet submissions.
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geezer
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It doesn't seem right that they
can tie up your work for so long
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mary rosenblum
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OH I know. It is TOTALLY
unfair and ahem...many writers do sim subs anyway...
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mary rosenblum
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Just know that you CAN get
dinged for it.
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marty
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story fiction in magazines
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mary rosenblum
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What about it, Marty?
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mary rosenblum
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Try using ask/ and then type
your question in your regular send bar.
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor and tonight we're talking about
publishing options. I've published seven novels and more than 60 short
stories and will do my best to answer any questions you have. If you're new
here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the
'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in
order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can
use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works
better for you..
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owlybear
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Hi Mary....when I started my
first column I was lucky in that the publisher was my neighbor. I told him
I was starting a writing course and he said "Good ..Start writing for
the paper... the second paper ran an ad for freelance writers..I called them
and the wanted to see a few of my articles... they liked them and now I've
had a weekly column there as well for over two years..I still write for
both papers... I did have an interview with the second paper so I had to
sell writing ability.. they must like my writing cause I'm still there...
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mary rosenblum
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Thanks, Owly!
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mary rosenblum
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I'd say it's a matter of watch
for opportunities like this or, like Deborah Wood, make an opportunity.
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monda
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OK, thanks
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owlybear
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your welcome
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pjdksmith
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Hello and thank you. I'm 1st
time writer looking for tips
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mary rosenblum
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What tips would you like,
pjdk?
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mary rosenblum
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-)
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wingedwarrior24
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omit needless words
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mary rosenblum
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That's a very good tip,
winged! Definitely! :-)
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mary rosenblum
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You know, the best tip I can
give is write. Write some more. Write even more.
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mary rosenblum
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And one thing to keep in mind.
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mary rosenblum
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The bigger markets...whether
you're talking magazine markets or book length publishers...
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mary rosenblum
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will be slower to respond than
small markets...
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mary rosenblum
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and it's harder to sell to
them.
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mary rosenblum
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If you merely want to see your
work in print...wherever!...then go with smaller markets, online 'zines,
etc.
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mary rosenblum
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If you want to create a career
as a pro, you really do need to aim for the top of the markets...
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mary rosenblum
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and you will have to fight
your way through that slush pile.
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mary rosenblum
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But sheer, stubborn,
buttheaded determination is still the best attribute you can have as a
writer.
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mary rosenblum
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And if you have something that
YOU and maybe your family just want to see in print...a family cookbook, a
memoir, then by all means...
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mary rosenblum
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use one of the inexpensive
print on demand for-pay publishers like iUniverse, Publish America, or the
like.
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mary rosenblum
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Know why you are writing, what
your goals are, and select the publishers that meet those goals...then be
tenacious.
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mary rosenblum
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Well, this has been a fun
Oregon hour! No thunderstorm yet!
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mary rosenblum
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Do join us for our casual chat
on Sunday...we get together here about 5 pm Pacific, 6 mt, 7 central, and 8
pm east coast time.
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mary rosenblum
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I'll post the transcript of
this Forum at Writing Craft: Forum Transcripts.
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mary rosenblum
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Thanks for coming, all!
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mary rosenblum
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Have a great weekend!
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