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mary rosenblum
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Hello all!
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mary rosenblum
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I hope you had a good week and
are staying warm.
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mary rosenblum
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It's a challenge here in
Oregon, right now!
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor. Tonight we’re talking about
reader assumptions and how to use them. I’ve published seven novels (number
eight will be out next year) , more than 60 short stories, and will do my
best to answer any questions you have. If you’re new here, remember that
you need to click on the ‘Ask a Question’ button or the ‘word bubble’ next
to the red question mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a
question. Your regular ‘send’ bar won’t reach me! Or you can use /ask and
type your question into the regular send bar if that works better for you..
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mary rosenblum
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By the way...
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mary rosenblum
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I have some sad news to
announce.
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mary rosenblum
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I just got email from the
owners of Storyhouse.com.
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mary rosenblum
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They have been buying short
short stories....for good money...
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mary rosenblum
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in order to put them on coffee
labels and include them with their cans of coffee.
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mary rosenblum
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But they have been bought out
by another roaster and will...
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mary rosenblum
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cease business at the end of
December.
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mary rosenblum
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So if you have submitted
stories there, you might as well send them elsewhere.
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mary rosenblum
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Too bad. It was a very nice
paying market.
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mary rosenblum
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I wanted to talk about reader
assumptions tonight.
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wolf122
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If one were to write for the
hard-core fans (fantasy, sci-fi, etc), a writer might alienate other
readers. Where do you draw the line?
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mary rosenblum
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Well, wolf, if you are writing
fantasy or SF your book or story is going to be labeled fantasy or SF
when...
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mary rosenblum
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it hits the bookstore. So
people who don't enjoy those genres probably won't read it in the first
place.
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mary rosenblum
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You really cannot write for
everyone and it's dangerous to try.
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mary rosenblum
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To be honest, write what you
want to write and decide who your audience is later for fiction.
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mary rosenblum
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I am talking fiction here, and
not nonfiction.
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mary rosenblum
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You can always write a romance
or a mystery or a thriller another time. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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Reader assumptions are a very
useful double edged sword...
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mary rosenblum
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but of course, you CAN cut
yourself.
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mary rosenblum
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We use reader assumptions all
the time.
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mary rosenblum
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If we didn't, we'd spend reams
of paper including every last tiny detail in our stories. Yaaawn..
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mary rosenblum
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But we know that if we say,
'she parked in the driveway and went in through the garage...
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mary rosenblum
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nearly every reader is going
to see something roughly similar...
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mary rosenblum
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a small attached building with
a couple of lift-up doors and maybe junk inside, oil stains on the
concrete...etc.
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mary rosenblum
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So we don't have to describe
all that.
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mary rosenblum
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These reader assumptions are
especially useful in mystery where you have to hide clues in plain sight.
:-)
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mary rosenblum
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Stereotypes are reader
assumptions.
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mary rosenblum
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Make them work for you.
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mary rosenblum
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The man with the scar, shifty
eyes, and sneering manner is not a good guy...
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mary rosenblum
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we KNOW he's probably bad.
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mary rosenblum
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So you can use that element of
surprise effectively when he helps your POV.
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info
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something like mention something
that the reader would think as being too obvious to be a clue?
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mary rosenblum
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Yes, info. Or mention
something that makes the reader think one thing has happened...
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mary rosenblum
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when that really is not the
case.
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mary rosenblum
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Stereotypes are nothing more
than reader assumptions made flesh. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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The Hooker With the Heart of
Gold.
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mary rosenblum
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The Wise Old Man.
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starr r
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How do you know when you leave a
stereotype and enter cliche
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mary rosenblum
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Cliche is just something that
has been overused to the point where we all KNOW it, starr...it blurs into
stereotype.
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mary rosenblum
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I'm not sure there's a
clearcut boundary. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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IF we meet that Wise Old Man
we'll believe in him automatically. He fits our assumption.
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mary rosenblum
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So we won't guess he's the
murderer.
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mary rosenblum
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You have used reader
assumption to keep that reader from seeing the hints you plant that he's a
killer.
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janecj333
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I've always wondered why, for
most people, being old does not mean being wise
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mary rosenblum
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Depends on how you handle
'old' in your fiction, jane.
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mary rosenblum
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In real life, we have a lot of
prejudices. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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And since you're here, Jane...
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mary rosenblum
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you asked a question...I think
it was after the last Forum...
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mary rosenblum
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but it didn't come through
until I had logged off.
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mary rosenblum
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I had told people to avoid
'would'.
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mary rosenblum
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And you wondered why.
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mary rosenblum
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Would is, at the moment, a
prevalent conversational trope like 'you know'.
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mary rosenblum
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It's misused most of the time,
but we hear it so often in conversation that it sounds right.
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mary rosenblum
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And it's an empty word like a,
an, the, etc.
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mary rosenblum
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No visual information.
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mary rosenblum
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It is used as a qualifier.
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mary rosenblum
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When it rained, I would read
in the library. When it was nice, I read in the park.
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mary rosenblum
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It sets a condition...I read
in the library only when it rains.
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mary rosenblum
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What I see ALL THE TIME is ....I
would always walk to school.
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mary rosenblum
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She would always have a
sandwich for lunch.
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mary rosenblum
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It's incorrect, grammatically,
and you add a word that does nothing for your story or article.
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mary rosenblum
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Just avoid it.
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mary rosenblum
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Unless you REALLY need to use
it. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor. Tonight we’re talking about
reader assumptions and how to use them. I’ve published seven novels (number
eight will be out next year) , more than 60 short stories, and will do my
best to answer any questions you have. If you’re new here, remember that
you need to click on the ‘Ask a Question’ button or the ‘word bubble’ next
to the red question mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a
question. Your regular ‘send’ bar won’t reach me! Or you can use /ask and
type your question into the regular send bar if that works better for you..
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mary rosenblum
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Back to reader
assumptions...they allow you to skip a lot of trival detail.
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mary rosenblum
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As long as your details are
similar to what most readers will assume, you can leave them out.
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mary rosenblum
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They walked into the living
room and she set the vase of roses on the table.
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mary rosenblum
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Say my scene is moving briskly
along and the living room plays no particularly important role...
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mary rosenblum
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in my story. I really don't
want to slow the scene down to tell the readers that the sofa is covered in
blue chintz, the table is walnut and has four matching chairs.
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mary rosenblum
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The details are not important,
they don't reflect the character in any way...
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mary rosenblum
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so I just don't do it.
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mary rosenblum
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Readers will see their idea of
'living room'.
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mary rosenblum
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Gee, I realize I just made it
into a dining room with that table and chairs, sigh.
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mary rosenblum
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Okay, dining room.
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mary rosenblum
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As long as your living room or
dining room is more or less 'normal'...
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mary rosenblum
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a sofa or chairs, a dining
table...
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mary rosenblum
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let readers fill in the bric a
brac and so forth for themselves.
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mary rosenblum
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They are sharing the world
creation, remember.
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mary rosenblum
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BUT...
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mary rosenblum
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if your living or dining room
is NOT typical...
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mary rosenblum
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then you must describe it.
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mary rosenblum
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Because if your characters
wander in and out of that living room a couple of times...
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mary rosenblum
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and then the POV climbs into
the Egyptian sarcophagus, lies down, and puts on headphones to listen to
CDs...
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mary rosenblum
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readers are going WHAT??????
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mary rosenblum
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If your l;iving room has an
Egyptian sarcophagus as a centerpiece you DO need to mention it right away.
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mary rosenblum
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That's the double edge to this
sword.
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mary rosenblum
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If readers make an incorrect
assumption you jar them smack out of the story later.
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sayre
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I'm having a hard time going
back and forth from non-fiction to fiction stories, everytime I get major
writers block
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mary rosenblum
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Why not stick with one for
now, sayre? You don't have to do both.
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mary rosenblum
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Even if you're doing the LR
course, you're only required to do one nonfiction and one fiction piece.
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mary rosenblum
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The rest are up to you to
choose.
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ashton
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Is it okay to pick out one
thing, such as "Jeff sunk into the leather sofa, his snakeskin boots
slapping the floor." Or should you just say his boots slapped the
floor and somehow bring up his attire somewhere else along the way? How
much is too much detail? Such as in the sentence I just provided.
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mary rosenblum
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It all depends on how
important the detail is, ashton.
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mary rosenblum
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If I was writing this, I would
include the boots if the snakeskin gave the reader information in some way.
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mary rosenblum
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Maybe it tells the reader that
Jeff has a ton of money.
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mary rosenblum
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Or maybe he's poor and we
suddenly notice these new expensive boots.
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mary rosenblum
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Or maybe I want to show the
reader that he is vain and spends a lot...
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mary rosenblum
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of money of expensive cowboy
duds.
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mary rosenblum
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If the fact that the boots are
made out of rattlesnake skin has nothing to do with either Jeff or the
story...
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mary rosenblum
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I might well leave it out. Would
depend on the rhythm of the scene and how many details I'd already
included.
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ashton
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Jeff's out on parole...his
clothes are terrible but it's the boots that make him who he is...in his
mind.
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mary rosenblum
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Then those boots and enough
details of his ragged jeans and ripped shirt so that we see the contrast,
is important.
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mary rosenblum
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That's always the 'occams
razor' of detail...does it matter?
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mary rosenblum
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If it does, it NEEDS to be
there.
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mary rosenblum
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If it does not, use it or not
as it works for the scene.
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor. Tonight we’re talking about
reader assumptions and how to use them. I’ve published seven novels (number
eight will be out next year) , more than 60 short stories, and will do my
best to answer any questions you have. If you’re new here, remember that
you need to click on the ‘Ask a Question’ button or the ‘word bubble’ next
to the red question mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a
question. Your regular ‘send’ bar won’t reach me! Or you can use /ask and
type your question into the regular send bar if that works better for you..
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ashton
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Kind of off topic... What
happens to stories that fit equally among 3 genres: Sci-fi/suspense &
Romance...what would a story such as this be classified as?
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mary rosenblum
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Depends, ashton.
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mary rosenblum
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Most romance lines expect the
MAIN plot to be the romance.
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mary rosenblum
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But in all other genres, you
can have romance and even a mystery as part of the story.
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mary rosenblum
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You have to see waht a
particular publisher or magazine accepts and what they don't publish.
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mary rosenblum
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All these labels are nothing
more than marketing aids...they tell the bookstores...
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mary rosenblum
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where to shelve the books and
they tell readers where to find the type of story they enjoy.
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sayre
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i'm on assignment two and have a
major writers block when it come to going from non to fiction any ideas
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mary rosenblum
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try telling a real story,
sayre. Something that happened to you? A friend?
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mary rosenblum
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All you need for two is a
STORY.
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mary rosenblum
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Doesn't have to be fictional.
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ashton
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My work doesn't seem to fit
nicely among any specific line....I'm an odd writing duck
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mary rosenblum
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Decide where it belongs AFTER
you write it, ashton.
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mary rosenblum
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YOu see a lot of 'crossover'
stuff out there.
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mary rosenblum
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All my SF are also mysteries.
:-)
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ashton
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what happens if it ends up
belonging nowhere? (smile)
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mary rosenblum
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Keep it in inventory and watch
for the magazine or publisher that's publishing unusual stuff.
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mary rosenblum
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It may well seem 'fresh and
new' to an editor.
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robastor
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Sort of a comment about what
Ashton was saying; I'd write what I'd call a science fiction story and
later was told it read and felt more like fiction. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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That's an odd comment, rob,
because SF IS fiction!
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mary rosenblum
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Maybe they meant mainstream?
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mary rosenblum
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There's a wide range of
Speculative fiction out there.
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mary rosenblum
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Some of my stories have sold
to both mainstream and SF markets...
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mary rosenblum
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and othre SF is much more
'genre'.
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sayre
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ok, i definately have a ton of
those i keep changing it after the first page guess i was over thinking it
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mary rosenblum
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Sounds like it, sayre. Just
tell a fun and interesting story from your life. That's called 'personal
narrative' or 'creative nonfiction' and it actually sells well.
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mary rosenblum
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One way to effectively use
reader assumptions is to give us a 'stereotypical' character...
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mary rosenblum
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one that instantly has your
readers making assumptions.
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mary rosenblum
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And then make this person
real...complex, NOT the stereotype.
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mary rosenblum
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That can be a very powerful
tool and can really engage your reader's attention.
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mary rosenblum
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For example, the 'dumb redneck
cop' who turns out to be very smart and aware.
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ashton
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Like the Hell's Angel with the
tatoos and long hair who's really the guardian angel. :o)
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mary rosenblum
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Yeah, exactly.
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mary rosenblum
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Of course the WORK here, for
you all, is that you have to make this Hells Angel a REAL PERSON so we...
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mary rosenblum
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can see why he wears those
colors and is the nice guy he is.
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mary rosenblum
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Just saying 'because' won't
do.
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mary rosenblum
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This kind of reverse on a
stereotype is really effective but it's a lot of work, too. :-)
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info
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Can you use this example on how
we could not stereotype? A woman is running (or help running) a group home
for troubled teens. Obviously there is a stereotype of troublemakers. How
can we make unstereo type something like this?
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mary rosenblum
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There is only one way to avoid
stereotypes in this case, info.
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mary rosenblum
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That is to make those kids
real people.
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mary rosenblum
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Don't portray them as the
'druggie' the 'gang member' , whatever.
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mary rosenblum
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Portray each one as that kid
first, and his problem second.
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mary rosenblum
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Then you have someone that is
NOT a stereotype.
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janecj333
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with regard to aliens in sf, I
often find myself explaining their foreign traits or gestures throughout
the novel. I try not to mention those same traits later, trusting the
reader to be alert to them. When I remind them of one, because it's of
particular importance, am I breaking a reader/writer bond?
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mary rosenblum
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Probably not, Jane.
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mary rosenblum
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While readers remember some
details, others fade...
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mary rosenblum
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it's not a bad idea to find a
way to remind the reader of what that gesture or trait is all about.
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mary rosenblum
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If you can do it through
context so that you don't intrude with your author's voice, that's best.
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mary rosenblum
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I spend a HUGE amoung of time
in SF stories figuring out how to 'show' my readers...
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mary rosenblum
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the nature of the technology,
aliens, what have you because I'm not going to tell them!
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mary rosenblum
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The other side of this double
edge is that you need to quickly alert your reader...
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mary rosenblum
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if their assumptions are
wrong.
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mary rosenblum
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If your MC is not walking on
two legs and relatively healthy, tell us.
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mary rosenblum
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Or rather, show us. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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If we only find out on page
236 that he's missing his left hand, you really fracture that reader
suspension-of-disbelief.
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sayre
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I know this is off subject, but
how do any of you manage to write with kids and a spouse that thinks you
should be able to write during the day while you are taking care of the
kids and the house....
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mary rosenblum
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I think you're going to have
to sit down with your spouse and explain what your day is like, Sayer.
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mary rosenblum
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Make some kind of agreement so
that you get a regular 'writing time'...
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mary rosenblum
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maybe after the kids are in
bed, during homework time, whatever works for you.
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mary rosenblum
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I was a single mom with two
kids when I started writing, and I remember that problem well!
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mary rosenblum
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I burned a LOT of midnight
oil, believe me.
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sayre
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we have had that talk, but it
seems that my writing isn't a priority, he thinks that published writing is
writing, but until then not so much ...
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mary rosenblum
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That's pretty common. You
might point out that none of us were BORN published. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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You don't GET published unless
you write. And submit.
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sayre
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I just wondered if anyone else
had gone through it
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mary rosenblum
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Oh, I suspect you'll find
quite a few people here who have, sayre.
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mary rosenblum
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That's a very common scenario.
Many many of my students have had to deal with it.
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mary rosenblum
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Hang around in the auditorium
after this is over and I suspect you'll find kindred spirits.
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cherley
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Tell him your writing my help
him retire early someday.
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ashton
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Goodness, yes, Sayre. You are
not alone/
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mary rosenblum
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Yeah, lean on that 'retire
early ' thing! Good one, Cherley.
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dub cooper
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My first wife had that same
attitiude.
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mary rosenblum
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See? It's not gender-linked.
LOL. Thanks, dub.
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sayre
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LOL good idea
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mary rosenblum
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Sayre, drop into our casual
chat on Sunday. It's the same time as this Forum. NO topic. We just talk
about writing and it's a great place to get support when juggling...
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mary rosenblum
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family and writing gets tough.
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ashton
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I've started telling everyone
that if they let me write now I'll pay them back later with a nice big
check for all their troubles. :o)
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mary rosenblum
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Good one, Ashton!
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robastor
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Reader assumtions work well with
plot, too. I'm reading a book where I thought the story was going in a well
defined path. In the space of ten pages, the plot twisted twice into places
I didn't expect. It worked really well, however, and thhe stoy is even more
interesting.
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mary rosenblum
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There you go.
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mary rosenblum
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I just finished a mystery
where the author used reader assumptions VERY effectively...
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mary rosenblum
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essentially giving us all the
clues but letting us misread them because of an underlying false
assumption.
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mary rosenblum
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He totally caught me. :-) That
doesn't happen very often. I was SO impressed.
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ashton
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what book is that, mary?
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mary rosenblum
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It's called A Place of
Execution by Val McDermid
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mary rosenblum
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The end is awkward, but that's
okay. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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It was the most effective use
of reader assumption I've seen lately.
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mary rosenblum
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Alas, he's not a MWA member,
so I can't invite him to be a guest here.
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cherley
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If the scene let's say inside a
restaurant is going to be main hub for the story you would go into more
detail about it?
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mary rosenblum
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Depends, Cherley.
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mary rosenblum
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If the restaurant is just the
stage, you use the details that bring the scene to life for the reader.
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mary rosenblum
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If the nature of the
restaurant is important...not just any restaurant will do, or it's a very
ODD restaurant...then more detail is needed.
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geezer
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Why?
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mary rosenblum
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Why what, geeze?
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mary rosenblum
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Oh...why can't I invite
McDermid you mean?
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mary rosenblum
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No contact information. I have
addresses and phone numbers in the MWA directory.
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mary rosenblum
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He's new, so he might show up
in the 06 directory. :-)
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cherley
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like the atmosphere, the smell,
the checkered curtains.
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mary rosenblum
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Again, it depends on the
importance.
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mary rosenblum
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Say you set it at a Dennys...a
generic chain type restaurant.
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mary rosenblum
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You might only need a few key
details...chrome topped sugar dispenser, paper napkin wrapped silverware
bundle...
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mary rosenblum
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fake Tiffany lampshades and
vinyl topped tables...
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mary rosenblum
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to give us the atmosphere. Oh
yes...the revolving pie cabinet! :-)
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geezer
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Won't the publisher help?
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mary rosenblum
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Oh, I could write to the
publisher, geeze, but I try to be more direct.
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mary rosenblum
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They don't always pass 'em on
either.
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mary rosenblum
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He's British, which is why
he's not MWA...I'll have to check out his website.
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cherley
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But some detail should be added
if the MC notices the difference in it compared to another place?
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mary rosenblum
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Sure, Cherley, if that is
important.
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mary rosenblum
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Ask yourself this: Could this
happen in ANY restaurant?
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mary rosenblum
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If so, don't waste a lot of
time on details...
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mary rosenblum
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just enough to give us a scene
that feels real.
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mary rosenblum
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If the scene has to happen in
THIS restaurant...
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mary rosenblum
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or this restaurant has some
connection to the character...
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mary rosenblum
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or reflects her personality
somehow...
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mary rosenblum
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then give us more detail. Make
this restaurant come to life.
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mary rosenblum
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Remember...you have to keep
your story moving. Every detail you add slows it down a tiny bit.
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mary rosenblum
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But we NEED details in order
to make the scene seem real.
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mary rosenblum
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So spend your 'detail money'
wisely.
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mary rosenblum
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Include the details that
matter and use reader assumptions for the ones that don't matter.
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mary rosenblum
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This is our After Hours Forum,
with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor. Tonight we’re talking about
reader assumptions and how to use them. I’ve published seven novels (number
eight will be out next year) , more than 60 short stories, and will do my
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mary rosenblum
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Reader assumptions allow us to
focus on the details that matter and avoid spending time...
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mary rosenblum
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describing stuff the reader
can add for us.
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sayre
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Mary if we want to join an
association specifically for women writers do you suggest one?
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mary rosenblum
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There are many, sayre. Depends
on what you write.
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mary rosenblum
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try googling 'women writers
association' and see what pops up.
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sayre
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i was looking at NAWW but i
wasn't sure
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mary rosenblum
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That's a good one. There are
quite a few.
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ashton
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I've found it helps if I
approach a scene from all angles to see what is and isn't important. As
with the Dennys thing you could say, "Here he was again. Ordering from
a wall menu in a restaurant just like the countless others he'd been to
from the Ozarks to the catskills." Point made.
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mary rosenblum
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Exactly, ashton.
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mary rosenblum
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You pull into the drive-up
lane, order a burger and fries and pull forward to the window...
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mary rosenblum
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where an acned and sullen kid
throws the bag at you and snatches your money.
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mary rosenblum
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any one of a dozen
chains....reader will fill in the local version he/she knows best.
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mary rosenblum
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Now....
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mary rosenblum
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say your MC's new boyfriend
takes her to his favorite restaurant...
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mary rosenblum
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and it's really creepy with
strange decor and they serve live sushi...
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mary rosenblum
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that they dissect for you at
your table...
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mary rosenblum
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you are not going to call it a
'sushi restaurant' and let it go at that!
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mary rosenblum
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And it's important...it
reflects her new boyfriend's character in some way.
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cherley
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Don't forget to mention the
missing burger or fries when you get home and open the bag. LOL
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mary rosenblum
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There you go. :-)
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dub cooper
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Dinner at Sea World?
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mary rosenblum
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LOL...I think that one is
right next door. :-)
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cherley
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it amazes me how quickly you
pick out a scene and plug in the right words for description.
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mary rosenblum
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THat takes practice at
learning what details MAKE a scene.
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mary rosenblum
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It's something you learn to do
quite consciously.
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mary rosenblum
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Okay...I want to show the
reader this restaurant.
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mary rosenblum
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I can only spend so much
'detail money' or my scene bogs down.
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mary rosenblum
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Which details will have the
greatest impact.
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mary rosenblum
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Say I decide on three.
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mary rosenblum
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Which three details will give
the reader the strongest impression of the place or person for that matter.
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mary rosenblum
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A good game to play...an
excellent exercise...
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mary rosenblum
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and one you can do while
finishing your Christmas shopping!...
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mary rosenblum
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is to go into an unfamiliar
place...a store, a cafe, a park, a parking garage...
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mary rosenblum
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and walk out after a few
minutes.
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mary rosenblum
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Fifteen minutes later, recall
all the details you can remember.
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mary rosenblum
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Those are the details that
'set the scene' for you.
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lore alley
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so how DO you decide how many
details to include in each scene?
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mary rosenblum
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That depends on what is going
on in the scene, lore.
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mary rosenblum
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If it's a 'slow spot' in the
story, my character can look around and notice stuff...
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mary rosenblum
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I can add a fair amount as
long as the action moves the scene forward.
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mary rosenblum
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If my character is upset or
preoccupied, I can't add as much...
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mary rosenblum
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she isn't really noticing
things.
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mary rosenblum
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If my character is under
extreme stress...hardly any.
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mary rosenblum
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When you're in 'fight or
flight' mode, you are only focusing on what is immediately in your path.
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mary rosenblum
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I LOVE the swordfight scenes I
get with tons of description of the landscape.
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mary rosenblum
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This in the MC's Point of
view, right? I figure while he's noticing the birds and brilliant
flowers...
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mary rosenblum
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his opponent has run him
through the liver.
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lore alley
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I was just curious because you
spoke about using three. I wondered if you get so you know exactly how many
to use before you write the scene
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mary rosenblum
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I do, Lore, but it's not a
hard and fast number like 3...
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mary rosenblum
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I'm not that formulaic! LOL.
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mary rosenblum
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The more you write, the better
your sense of pacing will be...
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mary rosenblum
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and the better you'll get at
knowing how much detail to add.
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janecj333
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liver...that might make for good
live sushi! interesting idea
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mary rosenblum
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LOL
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info
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even though a person in a fight
or flight mode, wouldn't they still notice something? Perhaps that dark,
shadowy spot in the alley or any kind of movement behind them that tells
them they are being followed or hunted?
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mary rosenblum
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Generally, if you are fleeing
for you life, you focus on what is in your path.
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mary rosenblum
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You really don't think. You
react to obstacles and you're focused on 'is it right behind me?'.
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mary rosenblum
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Fighting is similar. If you
think you slow down. You watch your opponent, react. You really see only
what threatens you.
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mary rosenblum
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I have afriend who trains the
police...
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mary rosenblum
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and has studied human
responses in fight/flight situations very thoroughly. :-)
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mary rosenblum
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He teaches swat teams.
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sayre
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i have a ton of poems that i am
looking into self publishing, im going through and editing them now and am
starting to wondering if the description/details play into poetry just as
strong if not more
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mary rosenblum
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Even more, sayre.
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mary rosenblum
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Think of a spectrum with novel
at one end and poetry at the other.
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mary rosenblum
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The fewer words you can use,
the more each word has to do.
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mary rosenblum
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And the more important each
individual word becomes.
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mary rosenblum
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That's why I encourage writers
to write short shorts.
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mary rosenblum
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You'll really improve your
craft.
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cherley
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you watch their eyes, their body
language and where the sword is. LOL
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mary rosenblum
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You'd better...or your liver
is sushi!
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mary rosenblum
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Well, this has been a fun
Oregon hour.
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mary rosenblum
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Time to go get more wood for
the woodstove.
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mary rosenblum
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I'll post the transcript in
the usual place:
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mary rosenblum
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Writing Craft: Forum
Transcript.
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mary rosenblum
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See you Sunday in our casual
chat!
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mary rosenblum
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Stay warm!
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