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The Short Story: Hands on Critiques 10/12/04

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Tue Oct 12 12:02:05 2004

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Tue Oct 12 13:37:07 2004



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mary rosenblum

Hello, all, and good morning!

mary rosenblum

This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.

mary rosenblum

We're trying another of our 'hands on' Forums, today, and so far this has worked out pretty well. :-)

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I have yet to be flooded with too many submissions.

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I'll take story ideas from people in the auditorium, but not until I've finished with the ones that I received in advance.

paja

did you get mine?

mary rosenblum

Yes, Paja, I seem to recall seeing yours. :-)

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I'll probably get some late arrivals...I did last time, so I may do them on Friday.

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My idea here is that it is easy to tell someone how to create a short story instead of a novel...

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but it is a lot harder for a novice writer to really comprehend the 'how' of that.

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So by using actual ideas and showing how they might be refocused if needed in order to create a shorter story...

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the process may become more understandable.

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I got yours, sen!

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Checked my email just before I came in here.

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All of us, when we begin, use novel sized ideas.

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I suspect we're all trying too hard...I know I was... reaching for that huge and wonderful idea that will put our stories 'over the top'.

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What you come to realize is that it is not the idea that matters in fiction, even in SF where ideas are important...

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but rather what you do with that idea. So it becomes easier to 'think small'. Not so easy when you start out!

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So let's look at some of the ideas we got here.

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I'm taking them in the order in which I received them. :-)

curseofthe44

Is it possible to earn a decent living from writing only short stories?

mary rosenblum

No, curse. It is not, no more than it is possible to do so as a poet.

mary rosenblum

Realistically, a short story will get you from a couple of hundred dollars or even less to maybe 1000 at the top end. I sold one for 1500 this year, but most earn me less.

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And while you can resell to anthology markets...I've earned over 4000 on one story...if you think about what you need to live on for a year...

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and realize that editors won't put a story from you in EVERY issue, look at your markets and do the math...

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you'll realize that some other income source is going to be necessary, no matter how poor you're willing to live.

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BUT...they earn you awards, they earn you critical attention, and they make it much more possible for you to sell book length work.

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Occasionally longer short stories get optioned for movies...I've had two optioned. But not that often.

curseofthe44

What are the odds of a short story being adapted to a movie, as opposed to a novel adaptation?

mary rosenblum

Best seller novels are the hot ticket, curse.

mary rosenblum

Short stories actually adapt to movies better, but your odds in ANY case are very small. Options happen...

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but rarely does the story end up in production. Nice if it does!

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And your standard option is for ..I think three years, maybe two. Can't remember.

mary rosenblum

Write short stories because you love writing them, but if you want to make a living income, either do nonfiction or find a compatible day job. :-)

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Preferably one with healthcare benefits, LOL. I wish!

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Three fem fetales (the one with the charm, the one with the

the guns) open a detective agency to help

 

first job (a dragon living in

 

park) gets them in over their heads. Big

 

away with injuries, including one incurable

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mary rosenblum

Okay, here's our first short story.

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This one sounds like a LOT of fun, and I'd love to read the book! :-)

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But it's a fine short story idea, too.

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I'd say that to do this story well, the author is going to need a good 5000 words if the characters are going to engage us.

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That way we can start out with an action scene, meet our characters and the POV after the action scene, and lead up to the climax of confronting the dragon in the sewer!

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(I wonder if Wendy knows about the rain dragons inhabiting the Seattle sewers...?)

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This would be difficult to do as a short short and retain the power of the longer version, since you'd have to imply a LOT of back story...

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and the back story...the business and the characters...promise to provide the humor here. You CAN focus this down to a short short...

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by concentrating on the climax scene with the dragon, picking your POV, and putting HER in charge of the job...

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so that the success or failure is HER responsibility and then letting her facilitate the triumph of the trio through some inner resource she thought she didn't have.

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For example, she might be scared of snakes, and the dragon morphs into a snake. But her friends' lives are on the line, so she casts the appropriate spell in spite of her fear.

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Notice that in the longer version of this, I mentioned a vastly different dramatic arc with a LOT more going on for us to see for ourselves...

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we'll get to meet the trio in person, see them in action in the opening scene, see how they relate and learn about their histories as they do 'office repartee'...

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before they confront the dragon. By the time we get there, we'll have a different climax..the success or failure of the 'TRIO is at stake here as the primary conflict to be resolved.

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We know all these people and we want them to make it as a business.

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In the short short version, you simply can't make all that back story and those three characters real to us, so focus on ONE.

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Give that one an internal conflict to resolve paired with the defeat of the dragon of course.

mary rosenblum

Then we only need to care about her, and you can do that in say 1500 words by revealing a person we like.

mary rosenblum

This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer, and we're looking at short story ideas. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.

mary rosenblum

If you notice the difference there...I simply narrowed our focus from the 5000 word version to the 1500 word version.

paja

What if the femmes were working FOR the dragon

mary rosenblum

Different story. :-) I'm going to stick to the story I was handed, this time around.

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Or try to!

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A girl from the 1800s runs away from home. Her father sends his employee, an Indian, after her. The Indian finds her a captive of his tribe, betrothed to her captor. The Indian must find a way to rescue her.

 

 

 

 

 

 

mary rosenblum

This is a good short story idea, a very character driven and internal story.

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We have a POV who is coming face to face with his value systems and the value systems of the day.

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He has chosen to live the 'white man's life' and now has to find a way to reconcile old and new loyalties.

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This is, by the way, a story that really demands some research in order to make it work and could work as anything from an action western or romance story to a really profound look at values, race, and identity...

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depending on what you wanted to do and what market you were writing for.

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If you do the 'light' version where it's just a matter of him rescuing the girl without killing any relatives or friends, you could do it in 3000 words if you write tight, or less if ...

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you sacrifice some details and verisimilitude. If you choose to do the intense and character-driven version it would be longer.

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And here...the focus change is quite different, notice.

mary rosenblum

If we make the focus action oriented and fairly superficial, we can do this as a short short.

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If we 'zoom in' on our character and his internal conflict of self and identity, it will be longer.

mary rosenblum

This is a nice example to pair with our first one because they are so different. :-)

mary rosenblum

This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer, and we're looking at short story ideas. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.

mary rosenblum

An abnormally obese man named Paul Osco experiences numerous health problems and his doctors deem is necessary for him to have stomach stapling surgery. His brother, Randall Osco, travels across the state to visit him. Randall and Paul have a very strained relationship, but Randall, at the advice of his wife and other family members, offers to pay for the entire cost of Paul's surgery. Paul has the surgery, then sneaks out of the hospital without anyone's knowing, goes home, dons his best suit, and goes to his favorite steak house where he binges. He vomits many times, his malformed stomach rips apart, and he dies. His brother Randall considers this entire situation on the drive home, and where his emotions range from white-hot anger to acceptance of his brother's death to realization about how sometimes two things so similar can be so opposite, like the two positive sides of a magnet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mary rosenblum

Well, this is one of those very internal stories without a lot of action. AND it is a story that will mostly be told in flashback, framed I am guessing, by Matt on his drive home.

mary rosenblum

This is going to be a tough one to pull off as a very short story, because with a very short word limit, we will only get the story, without enough words to really create either Matt or Paul for the reader.

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So we will have to depend on what Matt tells us about Paul as he considers that sad history.

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Therefore, you the author, have to assume that the reader finds something in this story to matter.

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What is it about Matt that compels us?

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Well, there is something to compell readers here...Matt's ability to understand the family dysfunciton here and to move beyond it.

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An implied triumph, as Matt realizes that he doesn't have to be like Paul, is NOT like Paul, can really give the reader something to think about.

mary rosenblum

BUT...as a very short story, it will be difficult to pull off.

mary rosenblum

Our engagement with this story depends on us caring about Matt, so that what he learns can matter to us. That is going to be hard to do if all we see is Paul's problem.

deb1234

This story needs intense research. Stomach surgery of this type wouldn't allow for someone to binge this way. Sorry

mary rosenblum

Exactly. And I"m not going to go into detail on what needs to be researched in most of these story ideas...

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but we do need to take it as a given that 'just because I say so' is never a good reason for doing anything.

mary rosenblum

Research does matter. :-) Remember that our contract with our reader is 'I will create a real world and YOU will believe in it'.

pook

What is Matt's relation to Paul?

mary rosenblum

They're brothers, pook.

mary rosenblum

A youth minister (named Susan) at a small country church has discovered

church, a much loved and respected member of the

 

"relationship" with one of the teenage girls

 

yrs. old) in the youth group. Susan has been

 

to handle this. Finally she decides to drive

 

confront him. While she is sitting in her car

 

courage, he comes out of the house, begins to walk

 

get the mail?) and grabs his chest and

 

a heart attack or something, because he is not

 

is no one else around . . .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

pook

I thought Randall was the brother.

mary rosenblum

Duh...that's what I meant.

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I'm assuming that the author, Matt, has made these characters up.

mary rosenblum

Well, smeagol, don't ever send a 'synopsis' like this to an editor. You'll get it back about one day later with a no thanks attached!

mary rosenblum

Remember folks, when an editor or your instructor wants to see your story idea or synopsis or summary...

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we need to see the end. How do we know if the end works unless you tell us?

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Want to tell us what happens next, smeagol?

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Or did you plan one of those 'lady or tiger' endings?

pook

I assumed she just let him die.

mary rosenblum

Well, she did or she didn't.

mary rosenblum

This would make a nice strong short story and it's one ...as with the original 'Lady or Tiger'..that can be told short...

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because we don't need to know the MC intimately. We'll know Susan by what she does here.

smeagol

I guess I thought the point of the story would be her making the decision itself (I'm not great with short stories). So lets say that she decides to let him die.

mary rosenblum

She could do either, but you DO have to choose.

mary rosenblum

Part of the reason that 'Lady and Tiger' (I disremember the actual title, that may be it) is so memorable is that it drives readers crazy.

mary rosenblum

And very editor I know gets these and every editor I know hates them so they are risky to write.

mary rosenblum

But here we have a story that can be powerful and very short...

mary rosenblum

We have our MC who knows that her pastor is guilty of what to her is probably a sin.

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And he apparently is struck by a heart attack in her presence. So here we have a lovely and powerful dilemma.

mary rosenblum

Does she say 'this is God's judgement' and go inside to call the ambulance, leaving it to God to decide if he lives that long or not...

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or does she leap out of the car and do CPR, figuring she cannot watch another human die, no matter what...it is not her role to judge?

mary rosenblum

And you can have her decide either way and make this a compelling and disturbing story...and you'll disturb some readers no matter which you choose. :-)

mary rosenblum

We don't need to know much at all about her before that moment...

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Where we get to know her is in the few seconds that pass as she sits in the car and makes up her mind...

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and yes, you can drag that out for some time, since in moments of crisis like this, time does seem to slow down.

deb1234

How do you interject her relationship to him?

mary rosenblum

You don't need to here, deb.

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She will define herself for us as she makes her choice.

mary rosenblum

This type of story really is the author posing an ethical question to the reader...

smeagol

Mary, this would be a character driven story of internal conflict, right?

mary rosenblum

It can be, if you write a sllightly longer version and let us see how Susan's choice derives from who she is and her past.

mary rosenblum

OR you can make it an ethical choice piece and we don't have to know a lot about her.

mary rosenblum

That would be the short short version and would be designed to make the reader react. :-)

pook

Do we care if he's married? Does everyone else know?

mary rosenblum

Those would be the questions for the longer version, where Susan's choice is determined by who she is, pook.

mary rosenblum

And the story I've been referring to is one where the story ends with a man choosing one of two doors...

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behind one is a tiger, behind the other, a lovely woman. The author never tells us what is behind the door he opens.

mary rosenblum

For the story -Ryan and Sherry get romantically involved after some initial friction while working on a hectic project in a corporate setting. Ryan, although successful in his career takes off in pursuit of his real ambitions which do not include a 9-5 job while Sherry elects a more conventional future. After experiencing some success and another love interest, her dissatisfaction with the corporate scene causes her to rethink her values and she decides to join Ryan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

mary rosenblum

Nice romance plot you have there. Looked at the Harlequin guidelines, Pook? :-)

pook

This kind of thing actually happened in Somerville NJ many many years ago. They were both married and the hypocrisy caused the church members to shoot them in bed.

mary rosenblum

Ouch. Remind me never to join that church! :-)

smeagol

Mary, but couldn't that be the point? In "The Things They Carried" we never learn whether or not the MC gets the girl in the end, but the point is something else, so it doesn't really matter if he does or not (this is in reference to your Lady and Tiger comment).

mary rosenblum

You CAN make it work, smeagol. You can make that your point, and it can be a powerful story...BUT it is NOT at ALL easy to pull off.

mary rosenblum

Readers are very resistant to that type of device. It is going to have to be powerful enough that we may hate you for leaving it open, but we still can't forget it. :-)

mary rosenblum

Well, pook, sketchy is fine. :-)

pook

Those guidelines are kind of sketchy.

mary rosenblum

Sorry...cart before horse there...

mary rosenblum

But what you're doing here is pretty typical...you are trying to cover a novel's worth of events in a short story format.

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And you can use exactly this story, but don't try to do it in a linear fashion, the way you laid it out here...

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or you'll have a 3000 word summary!

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The problem is that by the time you fill in all the action/scene changes/description necessary to take us through that time line...

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you won't really have the time to stop and really let us get intimate with the characters...so we won't know them well enough to care about this relationship.

mary rosenblum

The easiest way to have time for your characters..which matter in this type of story...and still include your plot as outlined...

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is to compress the time.

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Do just as you wrote here...they are instantly attracted, instantly annoy each other, but it's clear they have a future together.

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Then the job offer comes and they split.

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Instead of letting months or years pass, maybe she has an enounter with her new boss or project manager that makes her realize...

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that this new job is not at all what she is going to be comfortable with.

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And you end with her showing up at his Ryan's door with an invite to come celebrate her new position at his job...or something like that.

mary rosenblum

All you have done is to compress the same arc of 'attraction...separation...reconnection...into a matter of hours or days rather than months or years...

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and when you do that, it allows you to leave out all the things you'd have to tell us to cover the lapsed time...even if you use good transitions.

pook

I'll try it.

mary rosenblum

I think it'll make a nice strong romance story, pook.

mermaid1110

should you narrow down dialogue or narrative when trying to keep the word count to a minimum

mary rosenblum

GOOD dialogue is always stronger than narrative, mermaid. That is GOOD dialogue...

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and that is because it not only conveys characterization, but allows the characters to feed us LOTS of information in a brief time.

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And a few few vivid details can give us clear visuals.

pook

But doesn't she have to m iss him when he leaves?

mary rosenblum

she can realize how much she WILL miss him, pook. Remember that you can imply things that happen offstage or will happen later and they can have more impact...

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than briefly sketching them out without enough words to make them powerful.

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If her heart aches as he walks away and she tells herself, 'there are more like him, you need this job', we'll know this is the wrong...

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decision and we'll know she'll miss him terribly. We don't have to SEE it happen.

mary rosenblum

That is a mistake we all make at first...thinking that we MUST show the reader every detail.

mary rosenblum

Readers are VERY good at filling in blanks if you imply that blank!

mary rosenblum

This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer, and we're looking at short story ideas. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.

mary rosenblum

Dee must do a good deed in order to win a scholarship. Her assignment is to

 

 

bad rap just because he is poor, his Dad has run

 

he lives with his sister and her baby in public

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

mary rosenblum

I don't think I got a name with this...or it didn't come through when I copied. Again...be sure to tell an editor or instructor what your planned ending is!

mary rosenblum

This is NOT a 'lady and tiger' type story.

mary rosenblum

The strength in this story idea...and it is a CONSIDERABLE strength, is whether or not Dee can reach out to this resistant kid to succeed.

mary rosenblum

The implication is that she is going to have to understand him and the 'whys' of the way he is in order to do so..

mary rosenblum

and that gives this the potential of having a VERY strong message for today's kids and being a very powerful YA story.

mary rosenblum

It can work for the adult market, too, since readers will have probably had a situation at least similar to this one at some point in their lives...

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and either found a way to see the kid behind the behavior-mask...or failed to do so.

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So the story should resonate well with adult readers, too.

mary rosenblum

I would focus on the dramatic peak in order to make this work as a short story.

mary rosenblum

The power in the story comes when Dee is able to look beyond the snotty kid to see the real kid behind that mask...so give us enough 'snotty' interaction between the two to set up that realization...

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but I would not start with the scholarship and the first meeting with snotty Scotty. I'd begin with lessons underway and Dee's despair over managing to get anywhere with this brat.

mary rosenblum

Then I'd find some event that for some reason, brings them momentarily together so that they briefly can be on the same side.

mary rosenblum

That is your dramatic peak. The resolution is the final scene where for the first time, Scotty, still rather snotty (he's not going to turn into an angel overnight!) makes his first real effort...

mary rosenblum

and then we'll know that she will succeed. AGain, you don't have to show us that success. We know it will happen.

mary rosenblum

Patricia

 

 

 

 

 

 

a province rebel. He knows war will not

 

people. He's sad beyond words. The Prince,

 

chooses to visit the people and

 

The people kill him; but not before he meets

 

who has been receiving the spirits of

 

killed. She receives the Prince's spirit,

 

his father, the King. Through a mystical

 

the people and they are returned to the

 

Prince are married.

 

 

 

mary rosenblum

Cool story, Patricia! That is a nice core plot for a fantasy novel, and I hope you write it.

mary rosenblum

Yes, you can also do it as a short story...although you'll need to focus it down some.

mary rosenblum

This is a plot that has a lot of implied action and a fairly long period of time...we start with the rebellion and have to go through the Prince's adventure, his meeting and bonding with Jeri du'Salem...

mary rosenblum

his death, her return to the King, and her delivery of the spirits to the realm of the flesh. Yep...THAT is a novel plot.

mary rosenblum

But, you can focus this down to a rich and enigmatic little fantasy story by simply narrowing the scope to your dramatic arc.

mary rosenblum

Do it from the King's POV for one story, or from Jeri's POV for a different story. The story would include only the delivery of the spirits back into flesh.

mary rosenblum

But you'll have to find a narrower conflict here...you can't use the complex interwoven threads you now have (Jeri's story and the Princes' story).

paja

If the arc in focused down and the ss written, would that impinge on the novel, or could it still be written?

mary rosenblum

It will help sell your novel if it's already in print. The first two chapters of my current SF novel will appear in Asimov's Magazine as 'Green Shift' a novelette.

mary rosenblum

They are almost identical. It will only help your novel sell.

smeagol

Mary, which would make a stronger POV short story? The King or Jeri? I am guessing the King?

mary rosenblum

They would be different. If this was my story, I'd think through both versions before deciding on one.

mary rosenblum

If you use the King, here comes this woman. If the King makes the wrong choice, she'll go away and if he makes the right one, she give him back his son.

mary rosenblum

You can't tell us that in advance, but if you make his internal conflict over how to deal with this woman powerful, it will work nicely. Maybe by law, she should be killed or kicked out of the country...

mary rosenblum

but there is something about her that moves him and so he takes a risk, opposes the priests, and saves her.

mary rosenblum

I would let the King be putting something serious on the line in order to make that right choice, though. REaders want their MCs to take risks...too easy isn't a fun read!

paja

Jeri would be "birthing" a 1000 people, another story could be on her emotional recovery?

mary rosenblum

Definitely another story. That's way too heavy for this one.

mary rosenblum

From Jeri's POV...she could be ambivalent about what she can do.

mary rosenblum

She knows perhaps what it will cost her.

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But convinced of the King's love for his son, she does it.

mary rosenblum

Again, instead of trying to compress that span of time and dual MC plot lines into a short story, simply focus on the strongest peak of the larger story and orient your short story to that.

mary rosenblum

Roe:

 

 

an old Victorian home. In the process of remodeling they discover a sealed off room in the attic. When they break through the wall, 2 shadow people are released. Anna is the only that sees them. In the room is a trunk that holds old clothes and a box. Inside the box wedding rings 2 marriage certificates and a death certificate. The box has a false bottom that holds a diary, which Anna doesn't find til later. Anna becomes obsessed with research on the house and discovers the first wife died and the second disappeare, supposedly ran off with a lover. Everytime Anna goes in the room the shadow people become agitated, as if they are ltrying to tell her something. Eventually Anna discovers the false bottom and the diary which tells how the husband killed his wives. The second wife is buried in the basement. Once the discovery is made the shadow people are put to rest

 

mary rosenblum

I'm going to hurry along ...any I don't finish I'll do on Friday!

mary rosenblum

This would make a good short mystery for Hitchcock, but I'd imply a lot of the back story after you begin this.

mary rosenblum

If you do this in a linear fashion as you have here, starting with the wall and ending with thte basement...it's going to be long and will probably...

mary rosenblum

force you to be rather superficial in order to squeeze it all into an acceptable word count.

mary rosenblum

I would start with the shadow people already a part of life. The wall was opened days or weeks ago..she won't let hubby proceed with the remodel until she figures out what is going on, and maybe he thinks she's crazy. Start with her in their presence, trying to interact.

mary rosenblum

WE find out about the remodel later. Give us a ticking clock. Hubby is getting more convinced she is nuts...

mary rosenblum

so that she NEEDS to find this diary soon, it's not just an idle past time.

smeagol

Mary, but what might be the insight she comes to for herself? Or is this important. I figured that the King would get some "self" insights out of this if it were his POV.

mary rosenblum

Jeri could realized that the king's love for his son and his son's potential are worth risking herself for.

mary rosenblum

I don't have enough of Jeri to know what her motivations might be, but you can ALWAYS find a necessary insight for a character, smeagol.

janp

Anybody have a smashing short story? Writer's Digest just put out a notice. Short story contest, 1500 wds or less, deadline Dec 1

mary rosenblum

Aha...you can apply all these examples. LOL

curseofthe44

Could Anna use dreams-possibly from the shadow people wives-to discover the false bottom and diary maybe quicker?

mary rosenblum

Sure. good idea.

mary rosenblum

There are many ways to get her there.

mary rosenblum

Okay, one more, and then I'll continue this on Friday.

mary rosenblum

The eighteenth birthday and formal naming day should be a future king's greatest day. But, the young prince is in a quandary. By custom, his paternal aunt, who in a fit of spite against his mother, has assigned him his formal name, Oedipus Rex, which he hates with a passion and, which he will be stuck with for life. The future king must find a way to change his name, create peace within his fractious family and all before the formal grand naming ceremony and ball tomorrow night.

 

 

 

 

 

 

mary rosenblum

Well, I'll do yours after this, Jackie. It's the last one.

mary rosenblum

Lots of good humor here, sen.

mary rosenblum

This is a good doable short story idea. AGain, focus on the climax scenes in order to keep this short and not boring.

mary rosenblum

Use lots of rich and vivid details to set the scene as characters interact, and go from one interaction to another until you reach your climax.

mary rosenblum

Give us back story as our ticked off princeling argues and schemes with relatives.

mary rosenblum

There was a GREAT example of this in F & SF not too long ago...darn if I can remember the title.

mary rosenblum

Same sort of family feud plot, rich details of the world, nice dialogue, very good story.

mary rosenblum

Give yourself 3 - 5000 words for this one, though. Humor, like characterization, takes more words.

mary rosenblum

Okay, last one here.

mary rosenblum

Mary, my story is about a young man who learns, after graduating from college, that his mother (whom he thought to be dead) is really alive and living a few miles away in an exclusive psychiatric hospital. The story will parallel his journey in finding her and getting to know her and putting the peices of his shattered life together.

long novel with interesting twists and heart wrenching scenes.

 

 

 

into a novel

 

 

 

mary rosenblum

This is a fine story idea and yes, suitable for a novel. Realize that what will make this work for the reader is our identification with the man. Therefore, making him a real and compelling character is paramount for this story.

mary rosenblum

If mom is a highly unique individual it won't hurt either. I would beware of making this a long, drawn out and depressing slog with a ray of sunshine on page 376.

mary rosenblum

Who is going to be reading by then? :-)

mary rosenblum

Don't forget we will need multiple dramatic peaks before we reach the main one, even if they are small and quirky peaks. :-)

mary rosenblum

I did get one more submission...

mary rosenblum

She didn't know the person standing before her, couldn't comprehend how she'd

her life. When she realized that she was studying a

 

mirror, she dropped to her knees and began to

 

shaking her body like a seizure.

 

 

 

mary rosenblum

This is really an opening rather than a story idea. It's a fine opening. :-)

mary rosenblum

I don't have a clue where it's going, though. :-) But it does indeed picque my interest!

mary rosenblum

Okay, we made it through all the email examples!

mary rosenblum

If I find a ton of latecomers, I'll do them on Friday. Stay tuned. :-)

mary rosenblum

AND...by design, hehe...

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my guest this Thursday is Michael Arnzen, our poet and horror writer who visited earlier...]

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and his topic will be Fast Fiction!

mary rosenblum

Since we have this nice Writers Digest contest for 1500 word stories, this is timely, yes? :-)

mary rosenblum

You can all write a story for the contest now.

mary rosenblum

Consider it an assignment, heheh.

mary rosenblum

See you all in the casual chat tomorrow, same time same place.

mary rosenblum

And if you haven't sent off a short short to Storyhouse.com...DO so.

mary rosenblum

They are paying 15 cents a word and that adds up fast.

mary rosenblum

Just be prepared to wait a year!

mary rosenblum

See you all at the casual chat tomorrow!

mary rosenblum

Write well!

mary rosenblum

I'll post the transcript in the usual place...

mary rosenblum

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