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What the Editor Does: Life After the Sale 10/29/04

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Fri Oct 29 19:06:07 2004

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Fri Oct 29 20:37:47 2004



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mary rosenblum

Hello, all.

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I hope you had a good week and are enjoying the fall!

mary rosenblum

I'm feeling very sorry for myself tonight...my new large screen monitor died last night..

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so I'm using my VEEERRRY small old one.

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Sigh.

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Running the stage requires several screens, you see.

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So if I'm a bit slower than usual, I'm switching from overlapped screen to overlapped screen!

owlybear

Mary..it's closer to winter up here..fall happened a month ago..we're not in the banana belt like you people...

mary rosenblum

owly, I love Canada and would love to live there...except for one thing.

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Your weather!

tkat_2

not good :( bet you miss the large monitor huh?

mary rosenblum

Oooh...I really really really appreciate it now! LOL

owlybear

ya..but we have great medical coverage...

mary rosenblum

good for treating frostbite!

coway

how large is your large monitor?

mary rosenblum

BIG. I don't remember the measure.

mary rosenblum

Well, let's get to the topic here!

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I wanted to talk about the whole editing/publishing process...what goes on AFTER you sell your story or article.

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Because a lot of people have questions, concerns, and incorrect assumptions about the whole process.

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Essentially...to answer the question I get asked all the time and usually in tones of hushed horror...

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Yes, and editor IS going to change your words. That's what editors DO.

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They are not there just to cut you a check. And the accounting department does that anyway.

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Their first task is to choose a strong story or an article that will be worth their readers' dollars.

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Their next task is to make that article or story as powerful as possible.

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And editors are people who spend THEIR 40 hour work week working with words.

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Most of them are rather good at it. ;-)

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There are writers out there who will rage and storm about editors and how they RUINED their perfect prose..

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but most of those that I know personally...and there aren't that many...

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are the touch-me-not type who blow up if you mention that they used translate three times in the same sentence and don't want a single article changed.

wolf122

What type of revisions do you ask authors to make the most of? Grammer, spelling, word choice, etc. . .

mary rosenblum

Generally, editing is in two stages, wolf.

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Your editor will read your ms and line edit as he goes...fixing grammar, punctuation, tightening your prose by dropping excess words, fixing passive voice...

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and so forth. Then he will make a list of content problems he wants you to address.

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Your hero drives a green pickup on page34 and a blue pickup on page 235.

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When he walks away from the bar fight, it's not clear that it's because he knows his brother is watching...the reader will be confused, fix it..

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Those kind of problems.

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You get the line edited ms and the list of 'fix it please' questions back via Fed Ex usually.

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Now you fix the content problems or call the editor back (or email) to argue...and you either approve or change the line edits.

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Then you send the whole thing back.

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NOW the editor turns it over to the copy editor if you're with a traditional publisher. Many small press don't use copy editors, alas.

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This is a nitpicky grammar person who finds any tiny grammer and logic errors your editor (who was editing for content, too) might have missed.

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The copy editor sends you a list of logic errors (that pesky pickup is yellow on page 78 and you and your editor missed it)...

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and line edits for grammar.

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You fix the final logic errors, check the copy editing, and send it back.

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Now it goes into production and you get the other half of your advance.

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Half on acceptance, half on completion of the final edit.

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You will only see the ms one more time and that is when you get page proofs or galleys.

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That is your LAST chance to check for missed lines, typos, and the like.

barbg

If the editor likes your book, do they just send a contract?

mary rosenblum

Normally they will send you an acceptance letter first, barb. The contracts department can be slow...

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and if you have an agent, the contract may go back and forth a half dozen times. I turned in my final edit to my publilsher for one book before I had actually signed the contract.

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My agent was fighting for e rights with Random House and it took six months!

ashton

So if I make punctuation errors, that's okay...they fix it?

mary rosenblum

Yes, but if you make a TON and your ms is sloppy the editor will assume you can't write either!

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The occasional misspelling, grammar mistake, misplaced comma is fine. A real mess is not.

coway

do magazins ilke Talebnes, do this too? IF they decide to publish mine ..hey they can change it some :)

mary rosenblum

Some magazines show you galleys some do not. Asimov's sends out galleys to authors. Ellery Queen does not.

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Every editor WILL make changes to your ms.

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That is his or her job.

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Believe me, we are never perfect. We may think we are, but perfect is a subjective state in writing.

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They do not have to ask you about content changes, but generally, the editor will ask you to change the content before he or she agrees to buy the story.

wolf122

What percent passive sentences is considered ok in a novel (250ish pages)?

mary rosenblum

As few as you can possibly get away with wolf.

mary rosenblum

Hey, if you put your car up for sale are you going to get more money for it...

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if it's clean, shiny, waxed to a gleam or covered in mud, rust spots and dog vomit on the carpet?

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Don't forget. Your words are in the slush pile with maybe 300 others.

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Work at learning to write tight.

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Editors are word people.

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they love good craft and will read longer if your prose really impresses them as to quality.

mary rosenblum

This is our After Hours Forum, with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor. I've published seven novels and more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any questions you have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works better for you..

mary rosenblum

Tonight we're talking about the editing process..after the sale!

writermom

where can I get one of those I could use them befor I submit

mary rosenblum

I'm laughing, writermom. You mean a copy editor?

mary rosenblum

Actually, I have a few students who are not native English speakers but who tell great stories...

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and I have suggested that they contact their local community college..

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and hire an English major to edit their stuff for grammar and language.

realityczech

Could you expand on the statement "they do not have to ask you about content changes" please? Small content, such as words and phrases--or large content, such as the male protagonist is now female, or the African love story is now taking place in Canada?

mary rosenblum

Well, reality, ethical editors will ask you before they make a change that alters your story.

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Tightening your prose is not changing your story.

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BUT if it is not specified in your contract that you get to approve changes...they don't have to.

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And I have never seen a contract where approval is guaranteed.

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So yes, they could alter your ending and change your story.

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Would he/she do it?

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Probably not. The pro writers would start boycotting the magazine instantly.

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But I have heard of small press editors doing that now and again.

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An editor some years ago...small press...added a beat of violence to a story I sent her that I didn't think really belonged there..

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but it didn't harm the story and it was minor enough I didn't get bent out of shape over it.

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But I didn't send her any more work, either.

wolf122

Aret there any approaches in how an agent brings a script to you that an author wouldn't know/do?

mary rosenblum

I'm not sure what you're asking, wolf. Unless this is a hollywood thing, agents don't bring scripts to you.

speckledorf

As an editor of Futures, we were told to NEVER make changes to a story. We could remove small excess words to make it read tighter but anything major had to be approved by the author.

mary rosenblum

That's pretty standard for the magazine market. If an editor wants a change in a short story, I'll get it back with a request for the change but the editor..

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hasn't bought it or even promised to buy it.

info

if you decide to do so, could you go back on a contract if the editor does alter your story in any way? Or is it a once signed, done deal type of thing?

mary rosenblum

Weeellll...if you didn't specify approval in the contract, you don't have a real strong legal leg to stand on...

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and it wouldn't be worth the court cost. But if you threw a fit, I'm sure they'd let you out of the contract. Long as you're not Stephen King.

wolf122

Sorry, not scripts--novels from clients they are representing. Will you look at a novel brought to you from an agent different than an author?

mary rosenblum

I'm still not quite sure what you're asking? I don't edit actually, but novel editors mostly look at novels brought by agents, only in SF will major publihsers look at unagented books.

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And magazine editors will look at material from agents, but why bother?

ashton

They can't add cussing without permission, Right?

mary rosenblum

They should not add something like that, ashton, without asking you.

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That is something that almost never happens in major magazines or publishing houses.

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It can happen with small presses, but again, not very often.

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Usually, the editor asks you to review their changes.

mary rosenblum

I just got my edited story back from storyhouse, the coffee label publisher. They wanted me to initial every page! Talk about overkill! LOL

mary rosenblum

All they did was line edit stuff and not much of that.

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Email is making that much more doable than it used to be.

tory

Is it aslikely in a book that they would make changes that alter the story w/l telling you?

mary rosenblum

Much less likely, tory.

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Editing a novel is a BIG project that takes weeks.

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More money and risk is involved and you the author play a much greater role in it.

tory

Mary--after they send a list of "fix its" and corrected ms, do you send back a clean copy w/revisions and do they recheck it again?

mary rosenblum

I usually send back a clean copy with the editorial changes addes. That saves my editor time later and it keeps the page numbering intact as I do the content changes.

mary rosenblum

I have always been friends with my various editors, we have always worked as a team.

ashton

Would getting an agent be better than doing things yourself?

mary rosenblum

If you are publishing in the book market with traditional publislhers, you will have to get an agent, ashton.

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If you are e-publishing or going with a small press house or a POD like iUniverse, you don't necessarily need an agent...

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and most agents don't really want to handle those because there is not enough money in it.

ashton

How does a cover get made? Do YOU design it or them?

mary rosenblum

Ah, you WISH, ashton. LOL.

mary rosenblum

Covers are the biggest 'horror story' topic of conversation at any writers conference!

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You have NO, ZERO input on your cover.

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And lord help your sales if it is awful!

ashton

How do you go about finding an agent and do you pay them up front or once the book deal has been established?

mary rosenblum

You go the Association of Authors Representatives Homepage and read their FAQ page...which is a basic education in how to find the right agent...

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and how NOT to get a scam artist. An agent should belong to the AAR. They have to sign a code of ethics to join.

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AAR Homepage

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And you pay nothing up front ever ever EVER.

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That is the sure sign of a con artist.

mary rosenblum

When my publisher pays me...

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Tor, or Del Rey, or Putnam writes the check to my agent.

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I never even see it.

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She deducts her 15% fee and sends me a check from her business account.

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I get a tax form from her at the end of the year detailing my income.

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This is why you want an honest agent, LOL.

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One of the reasons!

mary rosenblum

This is our After Hours Forum, with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor, talking about the editing process after you sell. I've published seven novels and more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any questions you have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works better for you..

tory

Do you get any documentation from the publishing company re: sales stats, etc.

mary rosenblum

Yes. Every four or six months, depending on the publisher, you get a statement of sales, listing your advance, the sales, the royalties charged against the advance...

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and when you 'sell through', or pay off your advance...

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you will get a royalty check about three weeks later.

ashton

How did Stephen King get a great cover for The Dreamcatcher? Who designs them and do they try and make the covers sutiable for the content?

mary rosenblum

I have heard that Stephen King can okay his covers, but you won't get to.

mary rosenblum

Not with a traditional house. That is the art department's job and they simply ask the editor for a good scene and pass that to the artist to use.

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A good artist will read the book, but many do not.

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Now artists do tend to care about their work. I've had artists contact me with questions about details.

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But some don't.

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Now in small press markets, you can often become personally involved iwiht the cover art.

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Do listen to experienced people though.

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The cover sells the book first and there are a lot of things that influence a browser's reaction to your cover.

ashton

Why do I see some books with covers that change periodically?

mary rosenblum

Those are re-issues, ashton.

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Your book can be reprinted many times if the sales are steady.

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Sometimes the marketing department will pay to put a new cover on a printing hoping to stimulate new sales.

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A fresh eyecatching cover will often boost sales.

coway

ouch, if they don't read the book how can they make a cover that looks like the subject matter inside?

mary rosenblum

This is why you hope they read the book and why you hear all the horror stories at conferences, coway! LOL

info

not sure if you would know the answer to this but if you are working on something that illustration would fit, do the editors insist upon using their illustrators or can I as the writer insist upon finding my own?

mary rosenblum

You can SUGGEST someone, but you have no control in a traditional house. In small press, they'd probably be delighted to have you help out!

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Now I did get the art contract for my hardcover collection awarded to my artist friend, Elizabeth Bourne.

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BUT...she had to submit her portfolio to the art director and he had to hire her first.

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I've suggested illustrations to magazine editors at times and once or twice they have listened to me. ;-)

realityczech

There are still a number of book publishers that accept unagented manuscripts. Do you still advise getting an agent when submitting to these houses?

mary rosenblum

Not at all, reality.

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Most agents will handle a very limited number of unpublished writers...if any.

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You will have a much greater selection of GOOD agents if you have a contract in hand.

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All an agent can do for you as an unpublished writer...

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is to get you an answer sooner than it will come if you send it in over the transom (ie unagented).

coway

If a magazine's takig longer this time to respond back, is that usually bad? For instance, if editor sent note and didn't accept story but asked you to please send another one?

mary rosenblum

That can mean that it got lost or it can mean that the editor is holding it, waiting for a slot where she can fit a new writer...in a strong issue.

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Slower than normal is often good.

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AND...if you submit to an anthology market...

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they will reject you quickly if they don't want you...

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but if you have a chance, they'll hold you and the other candidates until after the anthology closes. So no news there is good news.

ashton

What about copyright laws...what do you have to do about that, if anything?

mary rosenblum

That should be spelled out in your contract, ashton. Big publishers may register the copyright, or you can do it, or not.

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You OWN the copyright.

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Registering it is only useful if you anticipate a law suit.

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Go read my interview with Daniel Stevens, the publishing lawyer in Surviving and Thriving: Intervew Transcripts.

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He talked about that a lot.

realityczech

Could you give us a quick rundown of editing jobs and what they entail (i.e. copy editing, line editing, etc.)?

mary rosenblum

Editing is content and language. Copy Editing is grammar and logic errors.

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Line editing simply means tightening prose without changing content. Everybody does that!

mary rosenblum

This is our After Hours Forum, with me, Mary Rosenblum, your web editor, talking about the editing process after you sell. I've published seven novels and more than 60 short stories and will do my best to answer any questions you have. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! Or you can use /ask and type your question into the regular send bar if that works better for you..

catydorr

Mary, I have a contractual question. Can I publish a piece which has been published online with awards/non-monetary prizes received but no contract signed with any form of rights given or does that exclude First Rights for publishing?

mary rosenblum

You have to tell your editor where the piece was published online. Notice the word you used? PUBLISHED? That means published, with or without contract or cash.

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This is one problem with contests....

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The editor may not care, but I bet you'll get the second rights rate.

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You are offering second rights, not first.

ashton

I'm working on a book about the life of an Ozark Mountain couple. I wanted the cover to be actual photo's of them with an actual picture of the Ozarks I took in the background. How would or could I have what I want done up?

mary rosenblum

Depends on where you publish it, ashton. If you publish with something big like Knopf or Random House, you're probably out of luck...

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although your editor can suggest it to the art director.

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BUT if you end up publishing with a small or regional press, go for it. You can probably do just that.

realityczech

An Editor Etiquette question: I recently had a great experience in an Editor Workshop at a Writer's Conference. Is it appropriate to send a personal thank you to her for her time and advice, or would that be seen as sucking up?

mary rosenblum

Sweetheart, sucking up gracefully is how business gets done!

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Of COURSE you send her a note. And if you send her a submission EVER you remind her of that conference and thank her again and tell her...

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which of her suggestions guided you as you wrote this book.

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There is nothing wrong or slimy in this. It is much harder to reject someone we know . Networking is worth its weight in gold!

paja

What might an editor mean by "It was intriguing by didn't quite grab me."

mary rosenblum

Essentially paja, it translates to 'good story, I don't want it'.

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The fact that the editor complimented you tells you that he/she...

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thinks your writing is good. The story just didn't work.

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It's vague because he/she doesn't want you to send it back. :-)

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If you get specific critical comments...'end too weak'...something like that..

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then fix it and send it back. Tell the editor that you fixed the problem he/she identified. :-)

info

just to make sure I understand right, even if the big publishers register teh copyright, it is still your copyright, correct?

mary rosenblum

As long as you do NOT sell All Rights you own the copyright, info. You can sell permission to use it...First Rights, Anthology RIghts..Foreign Rights...Movie Rights...Book Club Rights...

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But you are selling only a limited use of YOUR words.

wolf122

Do editors ever look for very specific types of stories/novels within their genre, and ask authors to write that story/novel for them/for the publisher?

mary rosenblum

Yep. :-) That's one of the things that happens as you build a name.

mary rosenblum

You get asked to write a story for a themed anthology...or send in something on a particular topic...

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I think I've said yes to three or four anthologies this past year.

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I won't actually write the stories unless the editor sells the anthology, but then I'll have to.

ashton

What's to stop someone from claiming portions of your writing as their own?

mary rosenblum

You saved it on your computer first. ;-)

mary rosenblum

Why should they use your words?

mary rosenblum

There is so little money in short fiction that if you want to stop it, a letter from a lawyer with a cease and desist message...

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will almost surely get the story dumped by the publisher.

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Marion Zimmer Bradley, one of the very top fantasy writers...

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lost a book that way. A fan claimed that Marion had stolen her idea at a writers workshop...

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and threatened to sue. Even though you really can't win a lawsuit about idea theft...

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the publisher dropped the book permanently.

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Marion was VERY bitter about that.

wolf122

Could an author build their own web page to promote their own books, or would that infringe on any rights of the publisher?

mary rosenblum

Your publisher would LOVE to have you do that!

mary rosenblum

Anything you want to do to promote your work makes them VERY VERY happy.

mary rosenblum

There is a clause in my contracts that allows me to publish portions of my novels for publicity purposes only...so I can post excerpts of my novel on my website.

tory

How would you know BEFORE it was published?

mary rosenblum

well, tory, how would someone get your words to publish? Are you posting work online? I don't think any member of my writers group is going to use my prose.

mary rosenblum

If I had any doubts, I wouldn't be in the group with that person.

mary rosenblum

I just sent my sf novel to several people, but they're not going to try and send my book off to Del Rey and claim it as theirs!

realityczech

At what point do we let an editor know what we are willing to do to promote? Is the first cover letter ans submission too early?

mary rosenblum

For a traditional publisher, don't bother. You can do whatever you want. Their huge marketing department will do what they're going to do and they do. Yoiu CAN ask the...

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publicist to make phone calls to set up signings at big venues for you.

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For a small press publisher, by all means include your promotion campagne plans with your submission!

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If you have a good promotional campagn, it may just make the difference if the editor is deciding between you and someone else.

mary rosenblum

WEll, the fan wouldn't have been taken seriously except that she knew Marion and had been in a workshop with her. So she DID know what Marion was writing. Most of us read from our work before it's on the shelf.f

mary rosenblum

I'll be reading from my current novel next weekend at a conference and I don't even have a contract yet.

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One thing to remember...

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we tend to think of editors as adversaries...the gatekeeper who let's us 'in' or...

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keeps us 'out'. BUT...the amazing thing is that they are passionate people who care deeply about good stories or prose.

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And it matters to them the way our writing matters to us.

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They aren't trying to make you jump through hoops to make themselves feel important...

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THEIR ego is on the line, too. They don't want to publish a shoddy piece of writing. They want it to shine.

mary rosenblum

You are both working toward the same goal and if you don't quite see eye to eye, you can usually reach a compromise.

mary rosenblum

My beloved editor Jim (now, alas deceased) and I argued over every change he made on my hardcover anthology. Not because I didn't want them. Because I wanted to know WHY.

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And sometimes he decided I was right and more often, I decided he was right and I learned a LOT. He was great!

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I miss him.

ashton

Going back to something mentioned earlier...if I contact an English Major to look over my work, what would you typically pay them?

mary rosenblum

Well, ashton, a professional editing job is very spendy, but community college english majors are not pros and usually need money. :-) I'd offer at least a dollar a page.

mary rosenblum

But are you sure you really need it?

mary rosenblum

You seem quite articulate here.

mary rosenblum

Minor mistakes really aren't going to hurt you, you know.

info

is there a way for us to really know if we need an English Major?

mary rosenblum

If you don't KNOW you need one you don't!

mary rosenblum

Yeesh!

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It's content that matters.

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if you write something that will move readers and sell magazines or books...they'll fix the problems!

mary rosenblum

Now if you don't bother to fix typos, you don't format, you send in single space, the ms has coffee stains on it...

mary rosenblum

would YOU waste your time on it if you have 50 nmore to read before lunch?

mary rosenblum

I have recommended it only when I have a student who simply isn't going to be able to compete with native English speakers no matter how good the story is...

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and the editing will take too much time for the magazine or book editor.

mary rosenblum

There are a couple of writers I know (who shall remain nameless) who have terrible grammar habits.

mary rosenblum

Has it stopped 'em? Nah. They sell very very well.

mary rosenblum

This has been a fun Oregon Hour. :-)

mary rosenblum

I'll try to catch the Sunday chat, but I may be at my mom's house.

mary rosenblum

Happy Halloween, all. Think of fun, spooky Halloween stories!

ashton

I'm a very passionate writer and I want EVERYTHING to be perfect. My instructor says I write with a lot of impact and I touch people with my writing. However, my editing mistakes keep me writing at a slow pace because I agonize or every sentence. Any advice?

mary rosenblum

I think speck knows of a kennel where you can board your internal editor until you have finished the first draft and are ready to let it out!

mary rosenblum

Really and truely, words are legos, not precious stones.

mary rosenblum

Shut the internal editor in a box, write with passion and then let him out to rearrange the lego bricks.

mary rosenblum

Think of it as a play-time thing...a big carpet, a pile of colorful legos...build something really fun!

mary rosenblum

And if it's crooked, so what? Tear it down and build it again.

speckledorf

Actually, I was playing with gala's red and black wand tonight before forum and turned editor into frog...sigh. I'm hoping the spell wears off sometime in Dec.:-)

mary rosenblum

frog is good. :-) Until he keeps you up all night croaking.

mary rosenblum

My internal editor wouldn't dare raise his head until I am sitting in front of the printed out hardcopy of the first draft.

mary rosenblum

My dogs would eat him.

janp

Thanks, Mary and BOOOOOOOOO to all five Rosenblums

mary rosenblum

Thanks janp. My dogs are dressed for the season...black and orange!

mary rosenblum

Natrually even! :-)

realityczech

Dang...it's good to be back in Da Live Chat! Thanks for all the great info, Mary! Have a booooo-tiful All Hallows Eve!

mary rosenblum

Have a good weekend, all, and soak up those Halloween moments for later use! Nice to see you again, reality!

mary rosenblum

Bye all!

mary rosenblum

I'll post the transcript at Writing Craft: Forum Transcripts.

mary rosenblum

Good night all!

 

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